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Due to censorship by Argo the thread is locked but it is interesting to see a major Anti Amiga Inc webmaster turn in to a Genesi attacker and a certain website defender.

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Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 201 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Bernie Meyer on 07-Sep-2004 11:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 165 (John Block):
Puzzling indeed. That statement, which I think we can now surely assume to have been in conflict with reality, is just asking to be made into a make-or-break indicator for KMOS.... And it really wasn't necessary.People still don't have their T-shirts. It's now, what, 6 weeks after the speech, and not one person has spoken up and reported that those shirts printed 6 weeks ago have arrived. Not one person who updated their details at AI has reported any tangible benefit from doing so.So, for all intents and purposes, the whole "the T-shirts went into print yesterday" had the effect of gaining some potential credibility for, what, a month, until it becomes clear that something is amiss. Now, 6 weeks later, it would have been better to just have said "Sorry, the terms of purchase mean we have no obligation whatsoever regarding T-shirts; We are sorry you got screwed, but life ain't always fair". At least KMOS might still be viewed as communicating clearly and openly. As it is, they have bascially shot any credibility that was left after the weirdness of the takeover.WHich makes one wonder --- what was to be gained from one more month of semi-credibility, that was worth that price? Can anyone think of anything legitimate?
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 202 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Bernie Meyer on 07-Sep-2004 11:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 193 (Sammy Nordström):
How about this, Sammy --- "your" side isn't in any way inherently more trustworthy than "their" side. If the CEO of your side and the CEO of their side had a conversation, and give different views on what was the content of the conversation, then EITHER ONE MIGHT BE TRUE. Or the truth might be somewhere in between. Or nowhere near any of the public statements.BB says he talked to GH, and was told McBill and Fleecy were gone. GH says he talked to BB and told him the whole CEO thing was still in the air. Do you have *any* reason to trust one more than the other? Do you, indeed, have any reason to extend any trust to either of them?Or, to put it even more bluntly --- when has GH *ever* said he would do something, and then delivered on the statement? (And I only pick GH here because that's the one Sammy believes a priori, not out of any bias towards either side. Comprende?)
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 203 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 07-Sep-2004 12:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 202 (Bernie Meyer):
> Comprende?

Eheh, surely he doesn't? :-) (Btw, "Comprende" is formal, "Comprendi" is more direct :-))
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 204 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Gregg on 07-Sep-2004 12:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 202 (Bernie Meyer):
Bernie, Bernie, Bernie...

I used to think you were intelligent, but here you are, wilfully and brazenly indulging in an ANN argument with samface.

IT'S SAMFACE, for god's sake!

What happened? What has driven you to these depths? Snap out of it, man.

Gregg
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 205 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Bernie Meyer on 07-Sep-2004 12:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 204 (Gregg):
It's the last day of a 2 week time-off-from-work period, and I am just trying to suppress the thoughts of the mess that will greet me tomorrow:)That, and while Sammy is probably beyond help, chances are others might read and think...
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 206 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by JKD on 07-Sep-2004 12:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 159 (Darrin):
Darrin,
yes, I think I (alomst) completely misunderstood your original post having re-read it...since it didn't condemn the camp behavior at all.

Sorry,

Steve
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 207 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 07-Sep-2004 12:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 202 (Bernie Meyer):
Again, that was just *one* example. I made another post with another example, and I can give you more examples if you want, there is an obvious pattern here and my point is that it's far from something that can be dismissed as what gary_c called "misperceptions".

Furthermore, I never had the intention to defend Garry Hare's actions in any way since I really don't know enough about him to make any judgements, do you? The issue here is not even about Garry in the first place, but the other CEO of the other "side". Now that's what the discussion is about so if you want to take a part in this specific discussion, please don't try to turn it into something else.
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 208 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 07-Sep-2004 12:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 204 (Gregg):
>IT'S SAMFACE, for god's sake!

Yes, it's me. In what way would that change the meaning of what is beeing said? I mean, if I say that the sky is blue, does that mean it couldn't possibly be true since I said it?

Now, I can understand the dismissal of an argument because it's inaccurate, irrational, pointless or provocative. But dismissing something for the sole reason that it's not being said by the "right" person, then you're just plain arrogant and/or stupid. Do I have to post anonymously through anonymizer in order to get you to read my posts?
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 209 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 07-Sep-2004 12:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 208 (Sammy Nordström):
I think what he's refurring to isn't that you can't possibly be right, but that you are unable to leave an argument without having the last say, resulting into alot of posts from you.

Well, i said my words, i'm not going to go further into this
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 210 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 07-Sep-2004 12:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 199 (Sammy Nordström):
>After the buisness card affair, it looks like Hare turned out to be CEO of
>Amiga Inc after all and just changed the name to KMOS so the people who they
>owe money to can go and whistle.

No. While KMOS is indeed the new owner of Amiga Inc., Amiga Inc. is still Amiga Inc. and Garry Hare is the CEO of KMOS, not Amiga Inc.

Actually we don't know yet what position Garry Hare holds in regard to Amiga, Inc., do we? I haven't heard, myself. I would imagine that if he isn't in fact the top officer there as well, he at least has overriding supervisory power over whoever is the nominal AI boss.

Certainly no new owner would let the old management of Amiga, Inc. carry on without supervision, in view of their performance prior to the ownership change. (Companies do not ordinarily aquire debt-ridden, nearly bankrupt and apparently grossly mismanaged companies and then keep the original management team intact, as far as I know.) But in the spirit of not jumping to conclusions, I guess we should wait to get the official word on what the Amiga, Inc. sale really is beyond simply a legal changeover. It has yet to be demonstrated that the sale was something other than an effort to slip away from old obligations, but Mr. Hare may yet make good on Amiga, Inc.'s debts to former employees and so on. This is just something else to be patient about, I guess.

-- gary_c
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 211 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 07-Sep-2004 13:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 208 (Sammy Nordström):
>Yes, it's me. In what way would that change the meaning of what is beeing said? I mean, if I say that the sky is blue, does that mean it couldn't possibly be true since I said it?


Liar. Here its grey.
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 212 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 07-Sep-2004 13:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 211 (hooligan/dcs):
Over here it's blue, and it's way too hot :(
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 213 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 07-Sep-2004 13:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 193 (Sammy Nordström):
"According to Garry Hare, they are still employed by Amiga Inc. and I Garry did not mention anything about firing anyone."

Why would he? People generally leave to pursue other opportunities.
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 214 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 07-Sep-2004 13:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 176 (gary_c):
>And BTW, I've *never* been "under orders" by Bill Buck or anyone else when I
>express an opinion. Chalk another one up for Amiga-fan paranoia.

@ Gary_C,

Further to the emails, I retract the sugestion that you were "under orders" from Bill Buck... it just seemed that way (to me at least).

Sorry about that. When I'm wrong I'll admit it... in public.
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 215 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 07-Sep-2004 13:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 211 (hooligan/dcs):
Maybe something is clouding your view? :-P
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 216 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 07-Sep-2004 13:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 210 (gary_c):
>Actually we don't know yet what position Garry Hare holds in regard to Amiga,
>Inc., do we?

Perhaps you should listen to the speech he held at this year's Amiwest then.
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 217 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 07-Sep-2004 13:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 215 (Sammy Nordström):
Must be the stink coming from this thread
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 218 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 07-Sep-2004 13:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 200 (Bernie Meyer):
>Says the person who describes the other side's OS as a "magget infested
>corpse" (despite the fact that *that* OS at least has been out for a couple of
> years, has a JIT, has a native graphics system, and AFAICT, fully working DMA
>IDE drivers)?

Now what are you drivelling about Bernie? First of all, I don't recall every using those words about ANY OS. Link please. Secondly, I can spell "maggot".

Do you keep a register of "useful quotes" made by the Red Camp in order to slander them? Nice hobby. Who gave you that idea, Rich Woods?

>How about you read my first comment in this thread, and do a bit of
>introspection?

I tend to skip most of your posts these days... for good reason, but I'll go back and re-read it. Who knows, you might be trying to help.
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 219 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 07-Sep-2004 13:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 206 (JKD):
>Darrin,
>yes, I think I (alomst) completely misunderstood your original post having re-
>read it...since it didn't condemn the camp behavior at all.
>Sorry,
>Steve

Thanks Steve, I appreciate that.

I was wondering what I'd done wrong :-)

Regards.
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 220 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 07-Sep-2004 13:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 209 (Amon_Re):
And, if he would just read what I've posted in this thread, I have taken several counter measures for not letting it turn out that way this time. However, it's neccassary that people support me in this in order for the discussion to remain objective and constructive and I don't think such personal attacks is helping.
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 221 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 07-Sep-2004 13:40 GMT
OK folks, here's a wild idea:

Let's forget about everything Amiga Inc, Gensei, Hyperion, McEwan, Buck, Fleecy, Hermans, Schmidt, KennyR, Eva, myself, Sammy... EVERYONE has said in the past. Yes, that's right - let's FORGET IT ALL.

It's group hug time!!! Let's accept that OS4, MOS, AROS, AmigaDE and Amithlon are all great pieces of software. Let's accept that the latest Pegasos and Amiga boards are worth buying if you want to. Let's also remind ourselves that several years of blasting each other with wild accusations and insults have got all sides NOWHERE.

I'll start. I apologise to everyone I've insulted on ANN. I'd like to thank everyone I've debated with. I want an AmigaOne for myself. I'd like to pay the same price as the Pegasos for it, but I accept the fact that I want OS4 so I have to buy an AmigaOne and I'd appreciate it if everyone would recognise that it's my choice. I wish the Pegasos and MOS good luck in this small market. I hope OS4+ manages the suceess of the classic OS. I like Amigaworld.net and I'm sure that MorphZone is a wonderful place full of satisfied customers.

Let's cut out the crap. Let's talk to each other as if we were face to face and not hide behind keyboards.

I'd much rather spend my time commenting on what software is being developed for the platforms than talking about what where my T-shirt is or whether a business card was genuine or not.

Can we stick to what's important? Can we agree to disagree? I don't recall the Amiga v ST war being anything like this, but then we usually had to meet each other face to face.

Damn, this reads like a bloody John Lenon song ;-)

So, is anyone with me?
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 222 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 07-Sep-2004 13:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 217 (hooligan/dcs):
Eeeeh... If your computer is stinking and "clouding your view", I recommend immidiately turning it off and then turning it in to your local computer repair shop. :-P
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 223 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 07-Sep-2004 13:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 60 (Bernie Meyer):
@ Bernie,

OK, I read the post. well written and I have to agree with it. Its certainly close to what I was trying to say, but much better worded than my effort. In future, I'll go back to paying attention to what you have to say.

Why are WE fighting? We basically agreed?
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 224 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Gregg on 07-Sep-2004 13:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 218 (Darrin):
Now what are you drivelling about Bernie? First of all, I don't recall every using those words about ANY OS. Link please. Secondly, I can spell "maggot".

See what happens when you fight with the pigs, Bernie? You all get covered in shit, but the pigs love it.

Darren, not Darrin.

But not that Darren.

Gregg
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 225 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Gregg on 07-Sep-2004 13:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 221 (Darrin):
Goodness me, Darrin! Keep this up and I might have to change my mind about you.

Gregg
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 226 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 07-Sep-2004 13:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 224 (Gregg):
>See what happens when you fight with the pigs, Bernie? You all get covered in
>shit, but the pigs love it.
>Darren, not Darrin.
>But not that Darren.
>Gregg

LOL. Thanks Gregg... I think (I believe you had a little "stab" at me there).

Cheers for clearing that up.
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 227 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 07-Sep-2004 13:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 221 (Darrin):
Hmmm... It's a great idea, but even if alot of people in here are really childish, I think few of us are children enough to solve this issue with a simple forget about it and and be friends again kind of solution. I admire your positive spirit, though. Who knows, maybe it catches on to one or two?
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 228 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Bernie Meyer on 07-Sep-2004 13:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 207 (Sammy Nordström):
Sammy, I was just pointing out that for that particular issue, you are unquestioningly believing one side, while at the same time accusing the other side of lying based on those beliefs.For somebody whose credo is "we can't know for sure" whenever "his" side is criticized, that's just a tad rich....Regarding that "fake" Fleecy mail --- having received private mail from Fleecy in the past, rest assured that the style was quite believable. Fleecy is a nutter without a clue, to put it bluntly (and, if the whole AI->Itec->KMOS story is to be believed, not beyond a bit of creative embellishment of truth in his "Ask Fleecy: columns...). And once again, you unquestioningly take the alleged forger's word for true. Has it never made you wonder why Fleecy himself didn't speak up and say "That wasn't me!"? Neither side in this whole mess has done anything to warrant any trust, and there is a heck of a lot of playing-dirty going on, from all sides. Was the mail a fake? Probably. Are we sure it's a fake? No f**king way. Did BB honestly believe it to be genuine? Who knows. Could anyone fault him for believing it to be genuine (considering he certainly had prior writings from Fleecy's hand)? Nope, certainly not.And regarding the "McBill is still CEO" mess --- when was the last time anyone has heard from or seen McBill? How about Fleecy? How about the widely-reported statement, under oath, by McBill in the Bolton Peck case that he was no longer CEO of AI at the time? How does all that fit together in your mind, Sammy? How does it all, somehow, resolve itself in such a way that it's all an evil conspiracy by THEM, the evil blue side and their god, BILL BUCK?How do you reconcile missing T-shirts with your rose-coloured view of the red side? How do you reconcile defaulting on party packs and $50 vouchers (and no, the $50 vouchers were for OS4 *OR* AmigaOne boards)? How do you reconcile 3 years of Ben Hermans AmiWest interviews, each year making delivery date promises, and each year failing to even apologize for last year's broken promise (for the record, this year's promise was "End of August at the latest")? How do you reconcile OS4 being "in its final stages of development" in Nov 2002, having "advanced into its final stages" in March 2003, having an "upcoming release" causing "the last pieces of the project [...] being put together" in July 2003 (as well as "close to release" --- Fleecy), and then was shown running (if that is the correct term) on the AOne for the first time in Septmber 2003? In December 2003, it was "approaching release", in January 2004 "upcoming", in March 2004 expected "later this year", and in September 2004 users still don't have aworking OS by any sensible definition. How do you reconcile Ben Hermans making statements like "we were originally going to go with an Amithlon-like solution. About two months worth of work, but not very satisfying" with the fact that after 34 months, OS4, as available to the consumers, doesn't have a JIT, doesn't have DMA for IDE, doesn't have SCSI drivers and doesn't have a reliably working ethernet driver --- all things which Amithlon had? Please look me in the eye and tell me that you do not think you have been lied to, swindled and taken for a fool by "your side" over and over and over again. (And no, once again, I am not saying that any other side is any better or worse!)
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 229 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Bernie Meyer on 07-Sep-2004 14:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 218 (Darrin):
Apologies --- Darrin vs Darren confusion.
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 230 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 07-Sep-2004 14:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 225 (Gregg):
>Goodness me, Darrin! Keep this up and I might have to change my mind about
>you.

>Gregg

Don't fight it! I know you like me really!!! :-)

Seriously, and putting aside our differences, I have to admit that some of your dry humour in the past has had me rolling around, clutching my sides. Even some of the remarks direted at me!
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 231 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Bernie Meyer on 07-Sep-2004 14:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 223 (Darrin):
See above --- a simple misunderstanding on my part (with the two articles, your's and Darren't, unfortunately being on separate pages of the comment view, and thus never "in the same room at the same time").I can only apologize again.
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 232 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 07-Sep-2004 14:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 227 (Sammy Nordström):
>Hmmm... It's a great idea, but even if alot of people in here are really
>childish, I think few of us are children enough to solve this issue with a
>simple forget about it and and be friends again kind of solution. I admire
>your positive spirit, though. Who knows, maybe it catches on to one or two?

Hi Sammy,

Thanks for that. I know I've tried this before and it quickly fell apart. One thing it did achieve was it showed that most of us are willing to live together politely and it identified several individuals who openly admitted that they wanted no part of a peaceful co-existance. It was handy to know who the "good" guys were and who the real trolls are.

The word troll is overused. People who start a thread which may upset the other side are called "trolls". This isn't true. If someone starts a thread, but is prepared to logically debate it and even admit they might be mistaken then there is no way it is "trolling". Trolling is where someone tries to start a deliberate fight or provoke a deliberate negative response. We need to know who these people are and just ignore them. They "get off" on the anger directed at them. Debating with them is pointless as they're not interested in opinions or facts. Ignore them and they'll go somewhere else to "get high".

And then there are some of us that just need to say, "fine, I disagree, but that's my last word on the subject" before they wear out another keyboard debating a obscure point with Alkis using 500+ comments ;-) Just kidding :-)
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 233 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 07-Sep-2004 14:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 229 (Bernie Meyer):
>Apologies --- Darrin vs Darren confusion.

Thanks Bernie,

Sorry for over-reacting myself. I was worried that I might be going mad and that you could actually provide a link! ;-)
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 234 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 07-Sep-2004 14:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 228 (Bernie Meyer):
Bernie, we can continue this discussion over e-mail if you like. I'm sorry but you're simply dragging too much issues up in once and all of them are about as much debatable. Like, Fleecy did indeed stand up and say that the forged e-mail was not written by him. If you don't believe me, I have court documents to back it up. It's very tempting to go through every detail you brought up but I'm sorry, this is simply not the place for doing so.
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 235 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 07-Sep-2004 14:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 234 (Sammy Nordström):
>Bernie, we can continue this discussion over e-mail if you like. I'm sorry but
>you're simply dragging too much issues up in once and all of them are about as
>much debatable. Like, Fleecy did indeed stand up and say that the forged e-
>mail was not written by him. If you don't believe me, I have court documents
>to back it up. It's very tempting to go through every detail you brought up
>but I'm sorry, this is simply not the place for doing so.

@ Sammy & Bernie,

The fact is, that both of you have much more important things to do than worry about the court case. It's now over and it's firmly in the past. Cheesegrate did own up to the email, however can you be sure that he was telling the truth this time? I'm 99.999999*% certain he did write it, but there are very few absolutes in this life and I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.

You're quite right Sammy, it's exactly stuff like this that can be discussed in emails as it serves no positive purpose any more. Once again, the trolls stir the pot and two decent guys end up going around and around debating this subject while the trolls giggle away like little children.
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 236 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by XraalE on 07-Sep-2004 14:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 155 (Darrin):
I think you're a lot closer to the Eva type than I am, Darrin.

I may still have that log where you came in to our channel, and scanned everyone's AmIRC registration. Then when to your horror discovered that a *visitor* had a pirated key, tried to lecture us all on piracy (even though we weren't pirates), declared your put us on a blacklist, then before we could explain left calling us, quote, "fucking lamers". We've yet to see what positive effect your McCarthyist piracy witchhunts have had on the Amiga.

And I think everyone remembered your hissyfit when you were stepped down as moderator. I have my differences with Wayne but I don't remember ever declaring that I wished his site would "die as soon as possible".

So basically, what I'm saying is, that by trying to project this beneficial, peace-loving vision of your self, you're just coming off as a hypocrite. We know what kind of a person you are already, and we know your real views on non-OS4 solutions, so don't try to lecture the rest of us with your group hug mantra. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. You're even less mature than some of the trolls here.
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 237 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 07-Sep-2004 14:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 236 (XraalE):
>I think you're a lot closer to the Eva type than I am, Darrin.

Really? Do tell...

>I may still have that log where you came in to our channel, and scanned
>everyone's AmIRC registration. Then when to your horror discovered that a
>*visitor* had a pirated key, tried to lecture us all on piracy (even though we
>weren't pirates), declared your put us on a blacklist, then before we could
>explain left calling us, quote, "fucking lamers". We've yet to see what
>positive effect your McCarthyist piracy witchhunts have had on the Amiga.

ROTFL. Liar!!! Liar!!! Do you honestly mean this or are you just trolling?

#1. What channel are you on about?
#2. I don't use IRC (set up a mIRC account once about 5 years ago, used it for a week and uninstalled the software).
#3. I wouldn't even know how to start "scanning for pirate keys on amiIRC". Care to enlighten me? Is it difficult? What software would I need? WHy would I even care?

>And I think everyone remembered your hissyfit when you were stepped down as
>moderator. I have my differences with Wayne but I don't remember ever
>declaring that I wished his site would "die as soon as possible".

Hissyfit? Moderator? Are you drunk? Are you high?

I've never told Wayne that! I've never been a moderator on ANY site (I did offer my services to Chris Kemp once by email... never heard back).

>So basically, what I'm saying is, that by trying to project this beneficial,
> peace-loving vision of your self, you're just coming off as a hypocrite. We
> know what kind of a person you are already, and we know your real views on
>non-OS4 solutions,

We do? Are you sure??? I think you're smoking something illegal...

>so don't try to lecture the rest of us with your group hug mantra. People in
>glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

I don't live in a glass house... it's made mostly of bricks with some areas of glass that we call "windows". Are you OK? Yo're not suffering from painful headaches or something, are you? Perhaps you should go to the hspital and have your bloodpressure checked...

>You're even less mature than some of the trolls here.

You'll forgive me if I laugh at that statement considering what you have writen as "fact" about me. Yeah, you REALLY know who I am.
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 238 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 07-Sep-2004 14:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 232 (Darrin):
I know what will help. We need a petition whether not to troll or not!
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 239 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 07-Sep-2004 14:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 238 (hooligan/dcs):
Great idea. Shall we start another ANN thread and take it there? See who on each side is prepared to bury the past, treat the other side(s) with respect and DEBATE instead of ARGUE? One golden rule.. whoever signs up should try and note the names of the others doing the same and treat them with the respect they would like to be show to themselves. Anyone against it should then be ignored by the group in order to avoid obvious trouble.

Could we really start a multi-platform news-site that we can ALL enjoy? I'd like to give it a try.
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 240 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by MIKE on 07-Sep-2004 14:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 171 (Sammy Nordström):
Obviously all of these claims by Bill Buck were confirmed by Garry Hare after the fact. Garry Hare admits passing out a business card representing himself as Amiga CEO at a tradeshow, Bill and Fleecy were effectively out at the time Buck said they were (Amiga Inc. sold a year earlier), and Garry Hare admits having discussions with Bill Buck on the phone (in his first interview). Your examples disprove your proposition.
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 241 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by XraalE on 07-Sep-2004 14:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 237 (Darrin):
Ah shit, another Darrin vs. Darren Glen mixup. My apologies.

Now get another nick and see it doesn't happen again! :-P
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 242 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 07-Sep-2004 14:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 240 (MIKE):
Come on Mike, who cares. Let this boring subject die. Please.
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 243 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 07-Sep-2004 14:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 239 (Darrin):
deal! but remember, both options must be so that trolling is not possible anymore. otherwise it will not work ;)
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 244 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 07-Sep-2004 14:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 240 (MIKE):
No. And instead of repeating my arguments again, I'm just going to kindly ask you to read my post again.
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 245 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 07-Sep-2004 14:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 241 (XraalE):
>Ah shit, another Darrin vs. Darren Glen mixup. My apologies.

>Now get another nick and see it doesn't happen again! :-P

LOL. Who the hell is "Darren"? :-)
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 246 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Tony on 07-Sep-2004 15:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 237 (Darrin):
Who cares, i use a pirate version of Amirc and i still do not give a shit if someone does a /version or /ctcp Usersname source on me. Vapor have been dead for a long time and no one is being hurt by pirating their software.
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 247 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Tony on 07-Sep-2004 15:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 241 (XraalE):
Darren Glenn AKA Ryu is a wannabe internet COP, time after time he told me to remove my pirate Amirc keyfile or my isp will be contacted. over two years later and that bitch still pesters me on my own channel with no luck :o)
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 248 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 07-Sep-2004 15:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 246 (Tony):
I was taking the piss. I wasn't suggesting that I want to learn how to search for pirate keyfiles and then go out and do it. I have a life. I have got better thigs to do... like post here on ANN :-)
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 249 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Tony on 07-Sep-2004 15:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 248 (Darrin):
I meant Darren not Darrin, my apologies aswell.
Interesting thread on Amiga.org : Comment 250 of 382ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 07-Sep-2004 15:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 249 (Tony):
>I meant Darren not Darrin, my apologies aswell.

LOL. Can we just call him "Ryu"?
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