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[Forum] RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOSANN.lu
Posted on 11-Sep-2004 17:57 GMT by RC5110 comments
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see here: http://www.morphos-news.de/guides/rc5-72/dnet-mos-stats.php looks like many MorphOS users are lazy in last time, they easily could get 6000MKeys/day.
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 51 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by Emeric SH on 12-Sep-2004 18:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (Amon_Re):
"Again, why bother? Give me one logical argument, one that isn't tainted by emotion, please"

Why should _he_ give one, when even the topic starter post was tainted with emotion? :)
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 52 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by pixie on 12-Sep-2004 19:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 51 (Emeric SH):
I don't see much in the topic, one new extracted from morphos-news.de, calling lazy the MOSers, saying they could easely get 6k keys, when evne the AmigaOS PPC effort doesn't attain their number of keys... geez, what a mess.
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 53 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 12-Sep-2004 20:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 50 (Johan Rönnblom):
I'll give you three.

1) OS4 is quite different to any previous "Amiga" OS'es, for example
it uses a whole new kernel, runs on a different hardware platform, and
is not compatible with previous PowerPC/Amiga OS programs. Just like
Apple clients changed platform ID during similar circumstances, it
would make a lot of sense to do this for OS4.

This is the one worthy to discuss, as the others are political, and even this one is politicly tainted, you know as well as i do that A: AOS4 isn't finished, and B: Support of PUP/WOS still needs to be added, so bringing it's current compatibility into play is not valid, since it's not finished yet.

As for your point towards the Apple situation, it's bogus, the correct situation would be the 7.x towards 8.x transition on the Mac (wich was the time when 68k was dropped, and the final transition towards ppc was made)
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 54 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 12-Sep-2004 20:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 51 (Emeric SH):
Because he's the one making a fuss over the OS string? :)
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 55 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by DJBase on 12-Sep-2004 20:51 GMT
I see as MorphOS User no Problem why OS4 should not be counted in the PPC/AmigaOS Stats. Of course, not all is cracked by OS4 but who cares. It is only a useless statistic which could be interesting for freaks but it is no war. Take a beer and relax.
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 56 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by Lando on 13-Sep-2004 01:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (pixie):
"Still doesn't see why you got so upset because of a title saying that AOS4 could catch your beloved/prefered platform of choice."

He wasn't upset, we was just quite correctly pointing out that such a competition isn't possible because, if you look at the stats, there is no "AOS4" platform included - only an all-encompassing Amiga PPC WarpOS, PowerUP, OS4 category, of which most members don't run OS4.
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 57 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by Nicolas Mendoza on 13-Sep-2004 03:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 56 (Lando):
Please provide the statistics showing that most members are running AmigaOS3.x PowerPC clients.
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 58 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by XraalE on 13-Sep-2004 03:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (priest):
> It's high time that the reality strikes!
> MoprhOS is not AmigaOS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

High time the reality strikes for you too, priest: we're not interested in your cheap label. We have much too much fun enjoying MOS's superior number of users, machines, developers, and it's much more advanced and complete state, to worry about an empty name that gets dirtier every year. I mean, it's gotten so bad lately I'm almost ashamed to crack keys for Team Amiga because it puts me in the same crowd as the people who think things like "Let's register our PC games with 'system' on the form as AmigaONE and they'll support OS4!" or that 600 names will magically get Electronic Arts to port the next version of DPaint.
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 59 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 13-Sep-2004 04:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 58 (XraalE):
You are EVIL :)
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 60 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 13-Sep-2004 05:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 58 (XraalE):
There might be more MOS users, there might be more machines, there might be more developers (i'm not saying there are, i don't know) but even then, those numbers are still way, way to small to be of any meaning to the outside world
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 61 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 13-Sep-2004 05:48 GMT
Is there some kind of CRC check built into the RC5 client/server system, or is there a risc that the A1/OS4 data could be corrupted in some way without being noticed? Wouldn't it be a pity if the winning key would be crunched by an A1, but corrupted, so it won't be found anyway?
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 62 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 13-Sep-2004 05:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 58 (XraalE):
>we're not interested in your cheap label.

Do not focus on the label. AmigaOS4 is not just a label. AmigaOS4 is the update of AmigaOS, based on previous AOS.

>MOS's superior number of users

LOL!
How many MOS users there are? A less than 1500? (especially if you count MOS that runs on a supported platform peg1 and peg2)

I bet there still exist 5000-10000 OAS users, little over 1000 use AOS4.

I think it's not "superior".

"it's much more advanced and complete state"

I just read a comment from AOS4 and MOS user. He said AOS4 is more stable and complete.

;-)
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 63 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by Janne on 13-Sep-2004 06:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 53 (Amon_Re):
>As for your point towards the Apple situation, it's bogus, the correct
>situation would be the 7.x towards 8.x transition on the Mac (wich was the
>time when 68k was dropped, and the final transition towards ppc was made)

Well... as there probably wasn't a RC5 client around Apple's first transition so we don't know what would have happened. IMHO for the Amiga community the OS 3.x to 4.0 transition is far bigger than Apple's first transition (relatively speaking), partly due to the time scale, the manufacturing politics, ownership changes etc. OS4 is a whole different beast when compared to its predecessor. Less so with Apple's gradual move to PPC.

I also don't understand why you considered Johan's point 2 as political. Obviously this thread was started to create buzz around said competition between MorphOS and OS4 and then it turns out the OS4 count really isn't just OS4 but also Classic users. The need to differentiate would clearly be there. Whether or not one wants to take this need into account is certainly up for debate, but it is still a reason, not politics. Point 3 probably was leaning towards that side, though, so it is best ignored in the debate I think.

Certainly AmigaOS has a right to be called PowerPC/AmigaOS, but given that it used to mean something completely else (PowerUp boards), I think changing the platform would have been a reasonable thing to do. Enough has changed to warrant differentiating between the old 68k, old PPC and the new (be that OS4 or MOS).

IMHO if we look past the names and politics, we could for example look at the past in three waves:

1) First there was Commodore. We can differentiate between OS 1.x with OCS, OS 2.x with ECS and OS 3.x with AGA, but mostly the changes were gradual and united by the same processor family, manufacturer, etc.

2) After Commodore, we got PowerPC by Phase 5 (and a competing kernel too, but the hardware was the same). H&P added support to "cosmetic" AmigaOS upgrades. The way the PowerPC applications worked was very different from 68k days, and very different from the future that would be laid down years later.

3) From all the confusion mentioned above, added with the rest that didn't have much to do with the original Amiga, rose the current crop of competing solutions: AmigaOS 4.0, MorphOS and AROS. I exclude AROS in my comparions simply because I lack the knowledge, but both OS4 and MOS are very different (although with varying degrees of compatibility) from Phase 5's PowerPC days. They are also very different from what Commodore made. They are essentially rewrites and, where OS4 is concerned, at the very least mostly recompiles to a new architecture. Both also introduce whole new ways of creating applications.

It certainly comes down to interpretation and personal preference how one would like to slice and dice the above. Perhaps one could also differentiate between different major releases of the classic OS, but given current use that would hardly seem relevant. The classic vs. PowerUp distinctions was already made in the years past (and I think was pretty relevant due to major processing power changes), so no point debating that really. Also, PowerUp is a dead-end anyway.

That leaves us with the current cream of the crop: OS4 and MOS. I personally think good reasons can be found in favour of making their results distinct, some of which I have tried to outline above. It could be fun to see the teams compete - and the current system doesn't really give us the whole picture (even if the PowerUp is only giving a baseline boost) and leaves all sorts of things open for interpretation. But, certainly, others might see it in a different light and, if so, then so be it. But IMHO its not all politics.
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 64 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by Crumb // AAT on 13-Sep-2004 06:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Amon_Re):
I don't care if MOS contributed to AmigaOS PPC because OS4 contributed to AmigaOS68k before the native version was available, and some Amithlon users contributed to AmigaOS 68k probably too... who cares about rc5 stuff anyway?

This discussion is quite silly. I don't care if they continue using AmigaOS PPC or call it AmigaOS4. I guess the most right way to name it should be AmigaOS4 PPC to set a difference between it and classic AmigaOS using WOS or PowerUP, but sincerely, I don't care much about it, OS4 and MOS are more "AmigaOS PPC" than classic AmigaOS running WOS or PowerUP, and AmigaOS4 have the name and it's the "ppc AmigaOS" with more original 3.x code than any of their competitors so I guess they have the right to contribute as AmigaOS PPC.
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 65 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by XraalE on 13-Sep-2004 07:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 62 (priest):
> Do not focus on the label. AmigaOS4 is not just a label. AmigaOS4
> is the update of AmigaOS, based on previous AOS.

Yawn. Let me guess, it's based on the magical source code. The fact it has incompatible functions to AOS although it follows the autodocs is absolutely NOT because they built it from the autodocs rather than the source, is it? :)

> I just read a comment from AOS4 and MOS user. He said AOS4 is more
> stable and complete.

Then he was talking through his rectal orifice, to be blunt. When OS4 has an integrated JIT, a Warp3D wrapper, 3D drivers, an interface as polished as Ambient, and half the stuff MOS has, come back to me on that one.
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 66 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 13-Sep-2004 09:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 57 (Nicolas Mendoza):
Nicolas Mendoza wrote:
> Please provide the statistics showing that most members are running
> AmigaOS3.x PowerPC clients.

I'm afraid that can't be done, since there's no ID for OS4, it's just
*impossible* to tell how many keys have been contributed by OS4 users.

We can tell that most of the keys are contributed by "classic"
systems, as the number of keys contributed after the OS4 client was
released is less than the number of keys contributed before then.

Anyway, I don't see what's people's problem with having statistics
over how many keys OS4 users contribute. You're afraid someone will
notice how few OS4 users there are? You want to hide yourselves behind
the "classic" users?
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 67 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 13-Sep-2004 09:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 65 (XraalE):
>> Do not focus on the label. AmigaOS4 is not just a label. AmigaOS4
>> is the update of AmigaOS, based on previous AOS.

>Yawn. Let me guess, it's based on the magical source code.

Binaries even. (even if blue believers do not believe in it)

>The fact it has
>incompatible functions to AOS although it follows the autodocs is absolutely
>NOT because they built it from the autodocs rather than the source, is it? :)

Very silly. There are things in between "just a recompilation" and "based on docs", even if blue believers do not believe in it.

>> I just read a comment from AOS4 and MOS user. He said AOS4 is more
>> stable and complete.

>Then he was talking through his rectal orifice, to be blunt.

Ahh, the MOS version of narrator.device ? ;)

Perhaps he is lacking some MOS updates etc. I do not know. But I know what he said.

>a Warp3D wrapper,

It will never have it. It will have native Warp3D.

>and half the stuff MOS has, come back to me on that one.

I'm sure AOS4 has half the stuff alredy. (that's also why I wonder why he said what he said) ;)
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 68 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 13-Sep-2004 10:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 67 (priest):
priest: Well, I was talking to an OS4 user the other day, he said the
moon was shining brighter than the sun..
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 69 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 13-Sep-2004 10:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 68 (Johan Rönnblom):
Right. We should not believe XraalE any more than that AOS4 user.



one more detail that matters:

That AOS4 user has pegasos and amigaone, most likely MOS1.4.x and AOS4 latest betatester beta. So IF he is not hallusinating or lying, AOS4 betatester beta package has got more features and stability than the year old MOS1.4.x.
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 70 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 13-Sep-2004 11:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 69 (priest):
Yep.. I've seen the same testimony. :-)
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 71 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by Cluke on 13-Sep-2004 11:43 GMT
Can I just steer us away from all this platform advocacy and ask, what is the point of running this distributed key cracking software? It was good the first time as a proof of concept, but why are people still doing it?
I thought modern CPUs (PPCs especially) were very good at only using as much power as they needed. However, if you have your computer cranking away at this all day, surely you are wastefully using unnecessary electricty?

;-)
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 72 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 13-Sep-2004 11:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 71 (Cluke):
See comment #21 ;-)
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 73 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 13-Sep-2004 12:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 69 (priest):
Right. I also heard the ultra-secret internal MorphOS 1.5 has a built
in eternal-youth device among many other features.

But believe what you want. :-)
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 74 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 13-Sep-2004 13:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 62 (priest):
> I just read a comment from AOS4 and MOS user. He said AOS4 is more stable and
> complete.

I too have both Pegasos (several of them ;-) ) and a A1 XE G4 with the latest public release of OS4. My comment on that statement above is that it's nothing but complete bullsh!t (sorry for the harsh wordings).

I have followed MorphOS development with my own eyes since version 1.0. Based of my *feeling* (not scientifically measured in any way) about the stability of OS4, I would rate it somewhere in between MorphOS 1.0 and 1.2. Regarding the "completeness" of the two; I just wrote the following on moobunny:

The OS4 team seems to have started from another end than the MorphOS team. The MorphOS developers started with the heavy but invisible "core things", writing all key components from scratch, PPC native, with modern, legacy free code, and making sure that MorphOS is really Amiga compatible, with great emulation, etc, etc. The OS4 team seems to have started with these little applications, the things that is visible to the user, like TCP/IP, tools and utilities known from the AmigaOS 3.x discs (of which many probably are exactly the same 68k binaries as on these discs (hear that priest: here is at least one "bluey" who believes that there are a lot of AmigaOS 68k binaries in OS4 - for good and bad)), but they still have many of the "heavier" things on their to-do list, thus OS4 still lacks a lot of important things found only in MorphOS ATM. At least that is my analysis of the two approaches.

I own both systems, and I wish the best of luck to both teams. However, I like the MorphOS design better; through it's design I believe that we will see things on MorphOS not possible with the OS4 approach, and I think it's safe to say that MorphOS is years ahead of OS4 ATM. How this will develop in the future will be interesting to follow.
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 75 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by brotheris on 13-Sep-2004 15:27 GMT
You now can see how smart MOS development is handled. There are no 'this works here, but I have latest beta on my hd' and there are far less users living in tomorrow and comparing future with now. Amigans are too much used to wait for something, it has grown roots in many to 'wait for next release'. When such a release is made, they wait for another instead of fully using what they have. The hobby is not computing, but waiting.
Sorry for the rant.
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 76 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by Darth_X on 13-Sep-2004 15:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 75 (brotheris):
That's no rant, its the truth.


Too many amigans waiting for leadership under the 'AmigaInc' brand rather than turning to the power users and developers.
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 77 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 13-Sep-2004 16:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 76 (Darth_X):
Indeed. I can't see how I could lose comparing what's here now, rather
than comparing dreams and rumours.

I mean, what if some OS4 version is released, and it actually is as
good as some think it will be? What did I lose by doing something else
in the mean time?
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 78 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 13-Sep-2004 16:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 77 (Johan Rönnblom):
>I mean, what if some OS4 version is released, and it actually is as
good as some think it will be? What did I lose by doing something else
in the mean time?

You lost your credibility and reputation.. you big evil teh gensei blue troll ;-)
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 79 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 13-Sep-2004 18:59 GMT
so everyone, run dnetc_wos and crack keys to teh r3al AMIGA!!
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 80 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by XraalE on 13-Sep-2004 20:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 67 (priest):
> Perhaps he is lacking some MOS updates etc. I do not know. But I
> know what he said.

Groan. Now I know you didn't speak to any such MOS and OS4 owner and are making it all up. No MOS user could possibly have less than MOS1.3, and that still has more features than I've seen reported for the recently updated OS4 beta, including PUP and WOS wrappers, and was very polished. A comparison of 1.3 and OS4 right now wouldn't be fair on OS4.

Anyway, good luck on that native Warp3D - I'm sure it will arrive. No, really. :)
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 81 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 13-Sep-2004 20:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 62 (priest):
> little over 1000 use AOS4.

You must have missed a vital AmigaWorld.net comment by friedens confirming there were less than 1000 AmigaOnes sold.
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 82 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 13-Sep-2004 20:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 81 (Anonymous):
Link ??? Not that it would matter much if there are 900 or 1100 .. It's not market enough for os development... (less than 500 would IMHO be news)..
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 83 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 14-Sep-2004 01:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 80 (XraalE):
Priest is talking about a certain OS4 betatester who has access to latest OS4b, and MorphOS1.42.
He may very well be talking the truth so ease up your arrogance a bit, at least until proven wrong.
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 84 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 14-Sep-2004 04:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 83 (hooligan/dcs):
And comparing the latest un-available OS4 beta with the more than a
year old public MOS 1.4 is fair and gives a correct picture?
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 85 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by Janne on 14-Sep-2004 05:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 84 (Anonymous):
Of course it isn't and of course it doesn't, but since when did that matter? :)

But seriously, I've seen the commentary too and I'm sure no malice was intended. It was just his view on the situation and it added to the discussion, so no point flaming it. I'm sure it wasn't meant to be the end all be all some people have elevated it to here...
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 86 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 14-Sep-2004 05:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 85 (Janne):
Where is that comment anyway? A link?

BTW following that logic - MorphOS has had Altivec since the beginning
of this year and TCP/IP stack among lots of other interesting things
was shown in public this spring including many improvements in
Ambient. It also seems to be able to do distributed computing in
clusters, etc, who knows, but it's not here in that condition for
users to try, and that is the only thing relevant in my opinion. The
same goes for OS4. People "have been living in the future" since this
first version of OS4 was released (why you might ask?), comparing
things still to be released for OS4 as it already was here, with
things on other platforms that has been here for years, MorphOS in
particular.
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 87 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by Janne on 14-Sep-2004 06:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 86 (Anonymous):
>Where is that comment anyway? A link?

In the Finnish Amiga forums - in Finnish.

>BTW following that logic -

Following that logic, we should compare the OS4 pre-release and MorphOS 1.4.2. Both are in the public. And sure, we should. We do. The problem in this instance was, that the person was comparing the latest OS4 beta (and had inside knowledge as a OS4 betatester) while being only a regular MorphOS 1.4.2 user without any access to MOS betas or inside info. It just wasn't a completely fair comparison.
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 88 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 14-Sep-2004 08:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 84 (Anonymous):
>And comparing the latest un-available OS4 beta with the more than a
year old public MOS 1.4 is fair and gives a correct picture?

Well, no of course not. But hardly that is the OS4 betatester's fault that MOS team doesn't share updates, is it?
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 89 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by Andrea Maniero on 14-Sep-2004 08:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 88 (hooligan/dcs):
It would be interesting nevertheless if someone could tell us in what exactly this guy finds AOS4 (the actual Beta) superior to MOS 1.4.2, since I can't read finnish. I mean, it's amusing to read "it's superior", and not knowing why... It's like the classic ciclic argument "it's better because it's better". ;)
I have seen AOS4 Beta myself not a long ago, and, while notably better than the PreRelease, I still think it lacks various features already well implemented in the more-than-one-year-old MOS public version (JIT, WUP/PUP, W3D, new intuition, Poseidon, and one could continue, vs basically the Grim Reaper and native TCP/IP - not that you can't use nicely a 68k stack with MOS, thanks to the JIT emulation).

Kind regards,
Andrea

BTW: noticed www.morphos.net ?
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 90 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 14-Sep-2004 09:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 89 (Andrea Maniero):
> BTW: noticed www.morphos.net ?

"September-13-2004
Update: "new" website online. More to come."

Hmm, interesting ...
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 91 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 14-Sep-2004 09:52 GMT
What what what.. what about morphos.net?

Have I missed something?
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 92 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 14-Sep-2004 10:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 91 (hooligan/dcs):
Just that text at the top of the right column. Let's see how this unfolds ...
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 93 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by Andrea Maniero on 14-Sep-2004 10:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 92 (takemehomegrandma):
Moreover, that was the layout of morphos.org . Morphos.net has had the layout of the corporate Genesi sites since a while. Something's in the works...

Kind regards,
Andrea
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 94 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 14-Sep-2004 10:26 GMT
Aaah.. I havent had need to visit morphos.net for many months. No wonder I was out.
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 95 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 14-Sep-2004 10:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 93 (Andrea Maniero):
Yep, looks that way.

/me hopes that nobody starts burning their ships here, so that things at least have a chance of going back to "normal" ("pre-crisis") at some point ...
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 96 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 14-Sep-2004 11:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Johan Rönnblom):
Well I think there is also lot's of those who contribute to MorphOS platform, but do not use MorphOS or Pegasos at all. I'm also 100% sure that many MOS users use PC and even Classic Amiga to contribute to MorphOS platform.

"If the OS4 client is reporting as that platform, it needs to be fixed asap. "

I don't know if it is reporting as PPC AmigaOS. But if it is then why should it be changed? OS4 *IS* PPC AmigaOS, so why should it be changed ?
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 97 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 14-Sep-2004 12:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Johan Rönnblom):
It is about OS, not about some powerup.library.

OS4 is PPC AmigaOS, MorphOS is not even if it has more common with powerupo.library.

This is about platform, not about library.
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 98 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 14-Sep-2004 12:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (bæsjen):
There is already AltiVec support in the OS4 (not prerelease) and there is Altivec enabled RC5-72 client too :)
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 99 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 14-Sep-2004 12:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 98 (Anonymous):
Well good morning, MorphOS had that since beginning of this year! :-P
RC5-72 contest, AOS4 could catch MOS : Comment 100 of 110ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 14-Sep-2004 12:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 87 (Janne):
Lot's of OS4 stuff which is still available to betatesters only, will be publicly available wery soon.

Didn't you see the article about it that first OS4 update is now in betatest ? It was confirmed that whole update package is now tested, not just independent components.

So it's quite clear we are now wery close to day when normal OS4 users will have access to lotäs of the stuff which betatesters have access now.

So even if that update is not released yet, it is soon time to make comparison about current MOS and current updated OS4.

So if OS4 betatester (who also use Pegasos and MOS reqularly) says that OS4 feels better, then soon it's about public OS4, not about closed beta. Soon normal users will benefit from those updated stuff, and then we can compare OS4 and MOS whitout some people saying it's unfair to compare those.

If MOS1.5 is not released when OS4 update is, then only guys to blaim is MOS developers.
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