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| Posted on 17-Aug-2002 19:55 GMT by cheesegrate | 165 comments
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On an ANN thread Bill and Raquel comment on their attitude towareds AmigaOS4 and it's appearance on the pegasos.
"If AmigaOS4.0 is fully finished and running natively on a
PPC we will be happy for Hyperion and Amiga Inc. Undoubtedly, in this community
there will be more than one person who will copy a legally obtained copy
of the operating system onto the Pegasos. How will Amiga Inc. stop this?
We cannot control this and neither can they. If AmigaOS4.0 becomes what
it is claimed to be – great! We will sell a few more Pegasos machines.
Thanks Hyperion! We wish them our best. We have absolutely nothing against
this effort."
Personally I think that no hardware developers who don't licence the amiga
name will pay money for certification to get os4 running on their boards.
However because the pegasos and the amiga one share the same northbridge
and BIOS (atm), it should not be difficult for a developer to port os4 across
to the pegasos. The question is; Will Hyperion and Amiga Inc allow this without
wanting money from Bplan/Thendic France? And does it matter?
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| Posted by DaveW on 19-Aug-2002 06:16 GMT | In reply to Comment 38 (Raquel and Bill):
> It is too bad the difficulties of the past are so often exaggerated and continue until today.
Well, too bad when they dont suit your business interest eh? Havent seen you defending the
exaggerations made against Amiga Inc.
> Just to show you how much this matter interests us, we requested on an ANN thread a couple of months ago information
> and proof from anyone who had had problems with DCE. We had a total of two responses -- one positive and one negative.
> So much for the "bad reputation…"
Oh well some of us didnt spot it and besides, I would not place any evidence in the hands
of a non independent arbiter - photocopies maybe. Besides, the reputation was not
tarnished through these two points alone. Besides it was PhaseV who seem to come in
for the most allegations in this area.
> Anyway, lets take that a step farther…
Yes lets.
> If anyone has proof that DCE has improperly accepted or not-returned money or boards for warranty or for whatever other reason because there was a
> problem with the manufacturing of the board (and not because it was intentionally over clocked, etc.), Thendic-France will rebate the full amount
> against a Pegasos computer.
Whilst I admire the guesture ( indicating that you either are fully confident that
there has never been a problem or that you want to lock people that have this problem
into a product that hasnt been released ) its hardly attractive. People have to part
with more money in order to get satisfaction. No, unless the problem that people have
is with a bankrupt then if they have evidence to hand I would suggest they get together
and prosecute through the EU legal system.
> We have absolutely nothing against AmigaOS4.0 and Ralph Schmidt today does not either. For at least, the recent past, no official member of the
> MorphOS team or any Betatester has "flamed" OS4.0 and will not going forward. It is too bad all the different personalities could not work
> together.
Well at least they havent done it themselves ( through proxy? ) or put their names to it in a traceable fashion ;-) In fact
I think you would find it very hard to prove this assertion. You would need to go through
ANN, Amiga.org, IRC channel logs etc and talk to the ISPs to find out who was using
a given address at any given point. On balance, I suspect it would be hard for many
to resist the temptation to put the knife in on the competition - if they have a public
platform eh? ;-)
> You all should note that Ben Herman has stopped making inaccurate and inappropriate statements about MorphOS. We appreciate this very
> much. Better to let both groups go forward as they will.
He has stopped making statements. Whether they were inaccurate is yet to be seen. Innapropriate? Well
yes but not as innapropriate as posting confidential business correspondance in a misguided
attempt to win the hearts and minds...
> Thank you for your email (in both threads). We really appreciate this kind of detailed and thoughtful commentary. Just a couple of things… what is
> unprofessional about stating the obvious?
Because you should *NOT* be seen to encourage piracy through ANY remarks. To be seen to say that you
dont mind that pirates might buy Pegasos equipment from you is a matter for concern. You should
clear this matter up ASAP. Those that supply CD-writing equipment would not be caught in
public saying they dont mind if they are used to duplicate copyrighted information.
>It is a problem and we have brought attention to the issue frequently.
Well only bring attention to it where appropriate. How would YOU beat piracy? Do
you think that stopping anti-piracy measures would do that? Hmmm? Giving away the software?
> We are certainly not advocating the act, but how can we stop this?
Well you can at least discourage it. If you can do naught but criticise those
in public that are trying to stop it through technical means you should do so
with an alternative.
> We will not try to restrict our Pegasos customers from doing what they want to do with the hardware they have purchased.
Well who-pee-doo
> We all have to admit that the technically oriented community following these boards is very prone to do whatever they want to do with their
> computers. What would you recommend?
No, what would YOU recommend seeings you are making this very public stance on it.
> As far as we are concerned there are absolutely no legal problems with MorphOS. You will see that there will not be either.
Good. But thats not for you to decide. If you went ahead thinking there were legal problems
you would only damage your business. Therefore this is obvious.
> MorphOS is 100% the inspiration and creation of Ralph Schmidt and the MorphOS Development Team. There is too much conjecture and FUD here from
> people that have no idea what they are talking about.
LOL! Come on, make the allegation and point to specific posts. I know of a few threads that
have been absolute rubbish in this vein but the point most make is: Until the matter is settled
in court or Amiga Inc drop the allegations it is insufficient to SAY it is all FUD. Plenty of examples
of how people fall into the trap of reverse engineering have been put up here with
examples of how it could be done. Ben Hermans when he wasnt being innapropriate put forward
the legalities of the situation.
No, its all politics and you are party to this political game. This whole thing
is a bonfire of the vanities. Get over it, release some products and hire a press officer
person with qualification. Oh and also a good guesture would be to pay for the advertising
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