In reply to Comment 85 (samface): >> Amiga *brand* is worthless/useless/unimportant
> The value of a brand depends on the value and the meaning of the word, which
> you surprisingly enough seem to be very fond of using for your Pegasos. The
> fact that you are using the word "Amiga" to describe a certain feeling and
> user experience tells me that the Amiga brand is far from
> worthless/useless/unimportant.
You are not reading me correctly, I said that (to me) the *brand* is unimportant and useless, hence it means *nothing* to me that the Pegasos hasn't got an Amiga Inc sticker. Actually, I don't want it to be branded as Amiga today, I don't want it to be associated with Amiga Inc or the lunatic part of the community (the religious name followers, the loonies that kneels and pray in front of a corporate logo). I don't want it to be associated with scams, broken promises, and the wild west dot com failures of the current flag holder (which has been in coma for the last year or so), or the bankruptcies and failures of the previous. Too much failures and negativity connected to the "Amiga" brand of today.
But the *term* Amiga is very usable in everyday speak when talking about the "Amiga Phenomenom" caused by the *real* Amigas of the 80's and 90's. This is from another conversation (with Amon_Re):
> rather then having this stupid discussion about wether or not you
> are an amigan, what do you consider to be an amiga experiance?
Excellent! :-)
> For me, it's always been the OS & the community (although the latter is
> falling apart at the seams), i don't think there's a thing called "amiga
> experiance", just the ease of use & maintenance of AOS, its simple, logical,
> well structured & well documented.
> But there's also the "feel" of the OS, the way the menu works, the menu
> itself, the little convieniant things like ram: and assigns... AOS is a
> dream to use, albeit abit unstable due to no memory protection.
The "Amiga Experience"? Well everything you mentioned above fits in, it's the way the OS works (with menus, ram:, assign:, etc), the "dream to use", its simplicity, it's logic, it's structure and documentation, the "feeling", etc, it's all part of what I call the "Amiga Experience". Also the Amiga programs, definitely the programs! You mentioned the community, well ... perhaps, and perhaps even the community websites are part of the experience (but then we are getting a bit off track IMO).
> MOS is (i assume) very simular in this regard, and i welcome that,
Oh, it's **VERY** similar, it's identical! That's what I am saying! Sure, Ambient in its current state *still* leaves things to wish for, but you can use (for instance) Dopus anyway (like many people do on classic Amigas too, you know). MorphOS still miss other things as well, like TCP/IP, but Miami (and many other applications) works *the same way* as it did on classic Amigas. Heck, MorphOS is so similar to AmigaOS 3.x that you could even replace Ambient with Workbench (like Elena did (right?)).
> but the feel to me is different,
To me, the feeling is *exactly* the same! I felt right at home from the very start! But the Pegasos hardware makes it all so much more fun!
Hence I am using my Pegasos/MorphOS *as* an Amiga, I am not claming it's *branded* Amiga, and as I said, I don't want it to be. My real Amiga is in the closet now. I use my Pegasos/MorphOS in its place, branded or not. |