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[News] Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3SatANN.lu
Posted on 15-May-2002 20:36 GMT by Christophe Decanini272 comments
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The bplan GmbH would like to inform you about the Computer Magazine taking place on the 27th of may at 9.30 pm.

neues - das Computer- und Telekommunikationsmagazin auf 3sat

There is an IRC chat scheduled after the show. Check it out here.

Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 101 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 16-May-2002 16:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 100 (Kronos):
And add your VAT back to the amount unless you are a professional with your own VAT number.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 102 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 16-May-2002 16:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 98 (Seehund):
Seehund. No one is preventing anyone from selling their boards. They just
a) Cant brand it as an Amiga
b) Cant claim AmigaOS compat
Until they have gone through the branding scheme.
Notice the "designed for Windowsxxx" certificate on decent PC clone manufacturers kit? Thats the result of a similar scheme.
The difference here is that AmigaOS4 wont be available shrink wrapped, its OEM only.
Nothing hard about it. Besides, surely the MorphOS story is so strong BPlan dont *need* AmigaOS so whats the gripe?
I realise you want to run AmigaOS on Pegasos for your own personal reasons ( your agenda ) but until X,Y happen Z aint in the picture.
Sure you can sell Amiga "branding approved" Pegasos if BPlan gets involved in the licensing scheme but also you would have to sell non branded onesalong side it and never ship AOS4 with it - terms of the OEM deal.
Big flipping deal. As far as controlling the marketplace is concerned, it doesnt - it perhaps even threatens the future of AOS4 rather than threatens any PPC board manufacturers business.
If you are waiting out for a PPC board that whups ar*e you want to be buying a good multiprocessor IBM. Then you get a decent UNIX (AIX) with it, great support for Linux if you want it and as much chance as running AOS4 on it as you have with BPlans current direction. At least it would be backed by a decent manufacturer that actually delivers, have real world support and cast iron build quality.
In the mean time the rest of us are getting to grips with our A1G3s and having fun.
You pays your money, you takes your choice. Its capitalism.
Beat on BPlans door if you want this to change, not on here or at AInc. The process is transparent.
If you have idealogical objections to the process well then - erm - tough titties. You have your right as consumer to go elsewhere and serve Amiga Inc right.
Dave.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 103 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by @Benny on 16-May-2002 16:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 101 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
His VAT? His VAT number? What he has to do with selling pegasos?
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 104 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 16-May-2002 16:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 96 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
>If you think that solves the problem, dream on.
The test results with the new driver are publicly available.
>Besides, we had tests conducted with a Voodoo 3 2000, on the one hand with P96
>and Prometheus and on the other hand with the same Voodoo 3 2000 and a GREX
>4000D.
>The Prometheus was substantially faster with the same Voodoo 3.
The public results show other values.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 105 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 16-May-2002 16:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 100 (Kronos):
This tells me that those in Euroland are being fleeced by the resellers, nothing more. Makes a change, normally its those in the UKP region that are being screwed.
PS: UK VAT is 17.5%.
LOL!!
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 106 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 16-May-2002 16:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 103 (@Benny):
It has a lot to do with BUYING not SELLING.
If you can claim it as business use and have a VAT number you can claim the VAT back - at least in decent countries ;-)
See? Easy as p*ss wasnt it.
Wow.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 107 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 16-May-2002 16:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 101 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Vesalia also delievers abroad and they do
cut the 16% off from every sale.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 108 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 16-May-2002 17:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 107 (Kronos):
Which the purchaser then has to put back on unless they want the revenue to break their thumbs.
e.g. if you give me 16% off I have to pay 17.5%. Who I pay is either the original seller ( difficult ), the revenue direct in my tax returns or the delivery company ( most likely ).
Strange but true.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 109 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Jari on 16-May-2002 17:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 104 (David Scheibler):
Ok,
Give us those values. A www address is enough or you can provide them yourself.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 110 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 16-May-2002 17:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 105 (DaveW):
BTW: Eyetech's dealer prices for the developer board and the end user version
are the same according to KDH. No 10% discount there.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 111 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 16-May-2002 17:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 108 (DaveW):
This is more aimed at a few US states that
don't have any VAT at all.
And don't forget you got to pay the 17.5%
VAT for an A1 too.
The A1(consumer) is 350Pounds ?
That would be 411 including VAT.
Anyone with the current exchange rate ?
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 112 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 16-May-2002 17:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 109 (Jari):
Amiga speed page.
http://www.amigaspeed.de.vu
(unfortunately only Grex and Mediator, but not Prometheus. But I doubt that the
Prometheus for the A4000 is so much faster than the Mediator one).
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 113 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Nicolas Sallin on 16-May-2002 17:12 GMT
Benjamin Hermans,
How could you know if the downclocking of the Voodoo3 3000 could be problem or not if:
- you didn't test the fix
- you have no number showing the speed impact
- warp3d team has no G-Rexx4000 to test
- you haven't tested on a G-Rex1200 (you have one ?)
How could you blame DCE when you don't even know if the problem comes from:
- the 68k mmu setup, while I bet you are talking about slowdown in ppc software too
(please remember the ppc mmu setup is done by warpos...)
- a cgx4 problem (unrelated to DCE then...)
You suspect this, you suspect that, but you never hesitate spreading pseudo-facts.
You know what many people suspect ? That you try DCE bashing because you think Pegasos will be built in their factory/labs and you want to push in every minds how bad bplan's product will be.
You want to know what even more people suspect ? That you have direct financial interrest in Eyetech's product. Maybe you even financed it ? It could explain why you would pray and act accordingly.
Please, shut up and come back with facts one day.
Thank you for listening.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 114 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 16-May-2002 17:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 100 (Kronos):
A1 Developer edition:
532 Euros bought direct from Eyetech
A1 Production edition:
No actual final price confirmed. Just resellers guesses to go on.
Lets compare apples with apples, Pegasos WITHOUT MorphOS and A1 WITHOUT AOS4 - both with Linux
Pegasos Developer edition:
Cant find reference on site to know if/when/how much current board is
Pegasos production edition:
No actual final price confirmed. Just resellers guesses go to on.
I think it would be best and less subjective if when they both go on sale at their final prices we compare there and then and just on the board costs. You never know they both might get revised down ( shock! ) or even both revised up ( likely ).
Plus currency fluctuations in the Euro might make it even more entertaining for those buying in UK or monopoly ($) currencies.
Dave.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 115 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 16-May-2002 17:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 113 (Nicolas Sallin):
Nicholas you are beginning to sound like Tim Rue! Seeing plots and cross financing everywhere. Do Hyperion give a stuff about different PCI boards?
> How could you know if the downclocking of the Voodoo3 3000 could be problem or not if...
It is possible to know that in general this is not a good thing to do (TM).
Dave.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 116 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 16-May-2002 17:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 114 (DaveW):
>Lets compare apples with apples, Pegasos WITHOUT MorphOS and A1 WITHOUT AOS4 -
>both with Linux
Hard. Because Pegasos always ships with both.
>Pegasos production edition:
>No actual final price confirmed. Just resellers guesses go to on.
http://www.amigafuture.de/heft/af34_10.jpg
Also see the bplan chat in January.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 117 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 16-May-2002 17:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 111 (Kronos):
>This is more aimed at a few US states that
don't have any VAT at all.
No VAT, very few of them, import tax, city tax, state tax, federal tax etc.
Now if they could nip over the border to get A1s and Pegasos' knocked off cheap along with cheap booze and illegal sex you would make them happy.
Note that "No VAT" applies to all exports from the Euro zone. You dont think that Eyetech adds on 17.5% VAT and then sells it to buyers in the US do you?
If they did, customs and excise would want a word.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 118 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Leki on 16-May-2002 17:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 94 (David Scheibler):
David Scheibler is becoming more of an idiot more often.
give it a break.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 119 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 16-May-2002 17:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 118 (Leki):
No more arguments? Too bad.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 120 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Nicolas Sallin on 16-May-2002 17:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 115 (DaveW):
Benjamin Hermans believes the downclock is only a minor part of the problem.
He obviously has no clue about what he is talking about.
Dave, beware with name mispelling, or some lawyer could say everywhere that you are a sad uneducated american :)
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 121 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 16-May-2002 17:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 116 (David Scheibler):
And we dont know the final bundle price for A1 inclusive of AOS4 and Pegasos inclusive of AOS4 which would be our only other alternative as consumers to make a true reckoning.
Until either hits the shelves this is academic, how many price changes did Mediator go through before it shipped? Blizzard PPC (many, as well as dates slipped and specs changed )?
If we cant compare the unbundled prices this is pretty meaningless. :-(
If we dont know a FIRM final price and can actually buy it direct or through resellers this is pretty meaningless.
I just hope that in both cases they arent selling with a 0% margin or a -% margin. It just means that hey one is cheaper than the other but hey the company aint making a profit so bye bye company and bye bye support channel which would suck mightily.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 122 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 16-May-2002 17:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 120 (Nicolas Sallin):
LOL!
They would be right, except about the uneducated and the American bit.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 123 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 16-May-2002 17:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 117 (DaveW):
Exactly !!
And thats why you can't compare prices for
product A with VAT and product B without.
But you can compare them if look at the
"VAT-free" prices, or put the same VAT on
both.
350UKP/500$/600Euro (without VAT) was the
price told by Alan on the AOne-mailinglist
and as long as I don't hear any other info
I count them as facts.
The dev-board was/is cheaper but as there
is no way getting one if you haven't allready
ordered so it is pointless.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 124 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 16-May-2002 17:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 123 (Kronos):
> But you can compare them if look at the "VAT-free" prices, or put the same VAT on both.
Did I compare VAT with non VAT? Hope not. Dont recall doing that.
Dave.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 125 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 16-May-2002 17:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 123 (Kronos):
> 350UKP/500$/600Euro (without VAT)
Alans final price could well be 350UKP, but dont forget that currency fluctuations happen anyway which could make it cheaper in Euros ( quite unlikely ), cheaper in dollars ( likely ). This is why stuff like that should be taken with a grain of salt. There is also the relative cost of the manufacturers currency to deal with.
Plus I would rather part with 350UK ( without VAT ) which is currently under 600 Euros ( of top of head calc ) by a reasonable margin for a board that would get delivered within 21 days vs go through the hell that was had trying to get a Blizzard PPC. For example.
Out of interest, whose fab line is making BPlans boards or are they all being hand assembled?
Dave.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 126 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 16-May-2002 17:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 125 (DaveW):
>Out of interest, whose fab line is making BPlans boards or are they all being
>hand assembled?
Maybe a far eastern company(tm)? ;)
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 127 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 16-May-2002 17:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 125 (DaveW):
>Out of interest, whose fab line is making BPlans boards or are they all being
>hand assembled?
Their productionline by DCE.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 128 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 16-May-2002 17:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 126 (David Scheibler):
Lets bloody hope so, I cant imagine being able to do any hardware manufacturing in Germany for a reasonable cost for a limited production run. :-D
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 129 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 16-May-2002 17:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 127 (Anonymous):
Which is located where. Staffed by whom and normally does what?
Hang on a minute DCE? Oh man. :-(
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 130 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by .john on 16-May-2002 17:53 GMT
I think bplan are not much into MorphOS either.
Why should they, it for sure will not be an overly successfull product.
But this is what is needed to make money. That they could do by supporting AmigaOS4.
Now, there is a slight chance, that, when phase5 went bust and some of its survivors
founded bplan that somehow a talented young programmer was taking part on this party.
This was R. Schmidt. At these days, nothing was clear. MorphOS could have been the
new AmigaOS. They pokered but failed (this one game). Then, still, with MorphOS they
would have some nice niche product, most probably of above average quality. For sure something
you do not want to drop just so....
But - trying to hold their little OS (and Ralph), they need to show sharp edges:
No AmigaOS on Pegasos (I am pretty sure we will not see it on Pegasos within the next two years)
Deciding that Pegasos would run AmigaOS would be like falling into Ralphs back.
So, Amiga market has gone for bplan.
MorphOS market will stay a hobbyists market, some true believers around the Vapor and
CyberGraphics crowd (all very talented, but too few to build up critical mass).
So, no money from the Amiga market (but maybe a law suit), no money in the MorphOS
market (selling a few thousand boards every two years won't help them).
So, what is left ? From the very beginning bplan was into another business:
The industry. Their product is extremly (!) promising !!!!! It is actually the
only _interesting_ and solid PPC board on the free (non Apple) market.
I dunno how this industrial market looks like (except, that custom solutions
are always a high need), but they are mostly either wall mountable, atm or SBC.
None are desktop like....
One advantage of the Pegasos is that it is an EU product, and not only EU, it
is a product in Germany. Germany (nation of engeneers) has always been very open
to new and alternative "devices". (Amiga, SuSe, Schneider CPC, big Linux crowd, CCC).
Just as the British (Amstrad, Tandy, Amiga etc.) There will be some market for Pegasos/MorphOS,
I am pretty sure. But will it be enough ? Enough to keep a company running ?
I'd say: Their big market would be the industry, but probably without MorphOS.
Or probably a whole niche market (with industrial applications) will raise on MorphOS.
Who knows...!? But it won't be *our* market and I am pretty sure, the once Amiga
crowd, who now hopes for MorphOS will consist out of a few programmers, who prefer
to earn money (writing stuff for the industry) instead of 'using' the machines.
Or - none of all this happens and bplan proves again:
Big talent buried within small and tight egocentric minded personalities.
Remember how they wanted to create the SuperComputer ? (Carpiranha or so ?)
How they thought, that a little niche market company will lead the Amiga into the future ?
This is the main problem with those guys:
They are sort of a garage company, by means of their size. Excellent engeneers !
Excellent craftsman !
But they want to change the world, dominate the market with their innovation/invention.
They wanted to do so back in phase5 days now they want to do so with bplan.
Why I think that ?
Well, every Sane Brain(tm) would GO! for AmigaOS now. That is much more a market,
with a relative chance to grow ! But they are not sane, they are megalomanic.
And since they can't go BIG!(tm) now they prefer to sit in the corner and say:
"Boooh, we can be alone without you, we can go our own way...."
And mabe they end up at the same point as phase5.
No Pegasos pre-orders for me. Either I get stuff that is in-stock or not.
Oh, and just if some bplan member reads this:
I WANT a Pegasos. And probably I will buy one, even without AmigaOS4 (though, the chances
have halfed, if OS4 would run on Pegasos I would buy one for *sure*).
I will use it for a niche solution I plan to do, but it will definatly run Linux,
simply because all the programs I need are already available only on Linux.
The only reason for me to buy a Pegasos is, that I do not know of any other
mobo, that has a comparable size, runs probably fanless at similare CPU power
and connectivity.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 131 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 16-May-2002 17:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 129 (DaveW):
>Which is located where. Staffed by whom and normally does what?
>Hang on a minute DCE? Oh man. :-(
bplan has one productionline of phase5 standing in the DCE building.
Operated by bplan personel.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 132 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil Hvitmyren on 16-May-2002 17:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 122 (DaveW):
So that leaves you a sad person who writes "LOL" in a comment on ANN. Eh? How do you do that when you are sad? :)
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 133 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 16-May-2002 17:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 130 (.john):
And then you go and spoil it all with...
> One advantage of the Pegasos is that it is an EU product, and not only EU, it
is a product in Germany.
and a bundle of overused stereotypes.
Must remember to Buy British and Go To Work On An Egg.
ROFLMAO.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 134 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil Hvitmyren on 16-May-2002 17:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 131 (Anonymous):
Sounds like a good plan.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 135 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 16-May-2002 17:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 131 (Anonymous):
>bplan has one productionline of phase5 standing in the DCE building.
Operated by bplan personel
Phase5?
Not the same Phase5 that refused to fulfill orders until they had [n] of them? The same production line even?
Oh goody, cant bl**dy wait. :-(
Tell me it aint going to happen again.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 136 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 16-May-2002 18:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 132 (Ole-Egil Hvitmyren):
Sssssh! Dont spoil the illusion!
Dave.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 137 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 16-May-2002 18:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 135 (DaveW):
>Not the same Phase5 that refused to fulfill orders until they had [n] of them?
You mix them up with DCE maybe. But anyway do you know how expensive it is to
produce just 2 units or so...?
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 138 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 16-May-2002 18:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 130 (.john):
> The only reason for me to buy a Pegasos is, that I do not know of any other
mobo, that has a comparable size, runs probably fanless at similare CPU power
and connectivity.
You want to get out more ;-)
Seriously, its AT sized. There are other AT sized PPC boards out there with similar CPU power and better connectivity. There are even ones that you dont have to buy custom CPU modules from the same manufacturer to take advantage of SMP. Shocking thought that.
Remember the amazing Picasso IV? Yes? I had one. I waited three years for the add in modules that they promised that was a major selling point to me. In that three years better boards had come and gone many times over.
Beware similar situations that will give you an artificial feel that solution (a) is more future proof.
A fool and his money is easily parted.
Toodle pip.
Dave.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 139 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 16-May-2002 18:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 137 (David Scheibler):
> You mix them up with DCE maybe. But anyway do you know how expensive it is to
produce just 2 units or so...?
No I am talking about PhaseV. Unless I was being sold a line by Blittersoft, Power Computing and Eyetech there were stacks of us all queued up and we kept getting told that it would go into production run next week... next week.... next week.. eventually you ask why what is the hold up and "the answer was invariably PhaseV have not got enough for a production run." Why did I deal with all three of these companies? I had three orders going because I had three motherboards and I wanted to see which one would get through first.
Sure DCE arent much better but that really doesnt do that nasty little feeling I am getting any good.
Perhaps its wind.
Tin pot production lines you can keep. :-( Unless you want to tell me that there was something else wrong at PhaseV that was nothing to do with the production run?
Dave.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 140 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 16-May-2002 18:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 138 (DaveW):
Or did I mean ATX?
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 141 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 16-May-2002 18:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 139 (DaveW):
>No I am talking about PhaseV. Unless I was being sold a line by Blittersoft,
>Power Computing and Eyetech there were stacks of us all queued up and we kept
>getting told that it would go into production run next week
May I ask what products you ordered and when? Maybe in phase5's last year? All
products I ordered were sent immediately but I ordered them when they hit the
street and not after x month. I think this "2 more weeks and you'll get them"
(once they were available. i'm not speaking about product announcements!)
was just at the end of phase5 because there wasn't any money or credit lines
left.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 142 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil Hvitmyren on 16-May-2002 18:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 140 (DaveW):
I am fairly certain you did.
On a totally different note, since this is so OT anyway, does anyone wanna write Matlab code for me? I want to go home and learn some more intuition coding instead...
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 143 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Neil Thomas on 16-May-2002 18:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 142 (Ole-Egil Hvitmyren):
I don't want to write the matlab code for you, but out of interest, what is it regarding?
I just wrote some for debluring, frequency response of moving average convolution filters and edge detection. Blah blah eh?
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 144 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by anonymer MOS-Fan on 16-May-2002 19:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 140 (DaveW):
wb mr. uneducated, unrelated issue poster daveW?
Can you give me the aim of your silly OT-nitpicking?
You cant?
Then go back to the topic and face the reality that bPlan will show a well-enginered hw/sw-product in the german TV (btw. millions of watchers) which was annouced in the last issue as Amiga (misconception but anyway).
Understand, that Eyetech cant show the AmigaOne because AmigaOS4 is in a initial stage and far from being released, showing would be damn painful.
Realize, that you have serious problems with these facts and that you cant handle them, which leds to inappropriate agressivity and the need to flood forums with your silly propaganda. Please DaveW, go to your psychiatrist and find possibilities to struggle them successfully. You really need help!
be sure, you have my boon ;D
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 145 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Cyber Tee on 16-May-2002 20:17 GMT
Why do people have to paint everything so black?
Oh! I forgot ....
Everything is a conspiracy ..
Bomb
Laden
Blair
Amiga
Gates
Bush ...
Hmmmm ... That should set some wheels in motion.
S'funny ... Why's that van parked over there??
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 146 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Daniel Miller on 16-May-2002 20:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 130 (.john):
In response to .john's super long commentary criticizing MorphOS' chances of long term success, I say that if they deliver a good product, people will buy it, and it will be successful.
In response to the few people who keep repeating "oh, I will never buy a Pegasos unless it has OS4, please bPlan dump MorphOS fast" I say this is just more trying to drive wedges among the team, and it won't work. The reason bPlan guys have done great things in the past (like all the PPC accelerators) is the contributions of all the team, and that sure as hell includes those who did the software engineering. People need to understand that MorphOS is every bit as much a technological milestone as the Pegasos box. It has undergone extensive development and it has an excellent reputation (from the many people who have actually used it)! MorphOS is engineered to give performance WAY past anybody else, and it is building a critical mass of cutting edge software to boot. Besides that, in order to deliver a product, you go with the proven technology. If you pause to mess around with the latest corporate-sponsored thing that was just started, get ready for another "November 1st on schedule and rockin'!"
It is time to seize the moment, not look back on a dated trademark like some middle age guy reminiscing about his high school football days and trying to fit in his old jersey. Let us move on to the future, and make the break with the past! Let us exploit the new technology without compromise. Let us build AWAY from corporate sponsorship and yards of litigation and NDAs and finely printed licenses and deceptive marketing and, good lord, dongles and monopolies and vapor and hassle!
In getting back to the topic, I certainly hope someone will make an MPEG of the technology show segment featuring MorphOS/Pegasos, so all of us outside Germany can see it. I am sure we'll get text translations in no time, but it will be equally rewarding to see the box in action, even in silence.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 147 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by ikez on 16-May-2002 21:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 141 (David Scheibler):
yeah, have wait 6 month for a cyberstormppc... These one burns hust one years after.
ikez
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 148 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by anonymer MOS-Fan on 16-May-2002 21:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 146 (Daniel Miller):
Very well said, Daniel :-)
a Video of Pegasos running MOS and showing some features is already taped and will be online soon.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 149 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 16-May-2002 22:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 140 (DaveW):
Neither AT nor ATX but µATX. Come on, please get a clue before posting.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 150 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 16-May-2002 23:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 146 (Daniel Miller):
nice one daniel.. very clear post and i totally agree..
technology and community is what matters, nothing else.
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