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[News] Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressionsANN.lu
Posted on 07-Dec-2002 19:27 GMT by Diermar Eilert (Edited on 2002-12-08 02:55:19 GMT by Christophe Decanini)230 comments
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It took place in a large congress room in Aachen's Eurogress. At 16:00, it was pretty crowded in terms of visitors ...

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Just a few words about the Amiga Retro event today, I've been there for an hour or so this afternoon:

It took place in a large congress room in Aachen's Eurogress. At 16:00, it was pretty crowded in terms of visitors, maybe 100-200 people, but pretty empty in terms of dealers. If you mentally subtract Thendic, who took up 50% of the space, the whole affair would have fitted into a grocery store. Well, I guess that reflects the state of the market.

I saw one Amiga One. Maybe there were more, I didn't look hard. The one I saw didn't do anything to get exited about (a pc-style box, obviously no AmigaOS 4, bulky mainboard).

The Thendic people were at the center of attention, having something exiting to show. I don't know how many Pegasos boxes they had with them, but there were lots of them for trial. Morphos looks great, their Ambient workbench is visually stunning. A large amount of money must have gone into the direction of designers, the icons are all ultra-professional, 3D, 24bit, raytraced. If you are ever going to write software for Morphos and plan to have equally good icons, you have your work laid out for you ;-) The overall design reminds me of NeXt. Nevertheless, everything is still quite basic in terms of operating systems: I didn't see a file manager or other things I would expect with an OS. For example, an equally well-designed "Start" bar would have been nice.

Unfortunately, their boxes only had PPC native software installed or I was too dumb to find regular 68K software. I've tried for twenty minutes to find a bug, cause a crash etc. but no luck: Morphos looks fine to me with that selection of software. I would have rather testet it with "normal" software though.

Some Pegaos boxes were open, you could see the April fix and the small mainboard. It's a micro-atx-sized board, you probably have to see it to realize how small it is. If mainboards were sold on optical merits, the Amiga One would be dead. I don't understand why Tendic choose a big aluminium case for it: yes, it looks nice but if you have such a small mainboard, why not advertise the possibilities of small dimensions ?

Conclusion: Pegasos/Morphos is much more advanced than I though before. If it's all pure PPC, the worst is clearly over for them. They seem to have a nice usable small OS. What's left for them to do is to provide more "middleware" to get rid of the basic feel. I mean the small tools that normally ship with an OS: file manager, calculators, whatever. Nothing complicated.

Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 101 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Dec-2002 14:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 95 (Nathaniel Downes):
> (sure, the new box isn't implimented yet, but that will change with time)
Currently morphos is technically on a level with amithlon.
When and if the qbox is functional morphos is on a level with linux+uae.
It were similar to MacOS X if someone other than apple created an emulator for macos then build a new OS on a third parties kernel and declared it to be the much improved macosX. Strictly technical it is pretty similar though.
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 102 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Dec-2002 14:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 100 (mahen):
> In both OS4 and MOS much has to be rewirtten, so, it would make both
of them "non amigaOS'es" because there would be too many differences
with the original, no ?
No. OS's like any other program do evolve.
But if I create a program that does everything like dpaint does it, its still not dpaint.
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 103 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 08-Dec-2002 14:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 101 (Anonymous):
hmmmm, the big difference with all that is that
MorphOS will always be amiga-ish. A new amiga-like
OS with compatibility. The QBOX will be developed
with the ABOX in mind. Migration from ABOX to QBOX.
so amiga-ish ...
... that some amigans consider as their next OS ...
Anyway, all that is REALLY babbling.
We really want real the products.
Otherwise, how can we compare ?
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 104 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 08-Dec-2002 14:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 102 (Anonymous):
You got a point. MorphOS is not AmigaOS. But is for many of
us a good solution, because very similar.
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 105 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Bouma on 08-Dec-2002 14:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 100 (mahen):
With regard to AmigaOS4, most of AmigaOS has been rewritten by using the original AmigaOS source codes and the idea is for it to remain to have the same structure.
With regard to MorphOS, well it is similar to for instance Amithlon(/Linux). Quark is just as much unlike Exec as for instance the Linux kernel is, so what follow-up OS releases using the QBOX may be like is anyone's guess IMO. That doesn't mean it will be bad or something. I simply don't know, there isn't enough information available on what the QBOX will be like in the future.
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 106 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 08-Dec-2002 14:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 105 (Mike Bouma):
I guess you're right.
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 107 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Dec-2002 14:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 103 (mahen):
> hmmmm, the big difference with all that is that
> MorphOS will always be amiga-ish. A new amiga-like
> OS with compatibility. The QBOX will be developed
> with the ABOX in mind. Migration from ABOX to QBOX.
MacOS X is macos-ish too and has macos compatibilits layer.
> so amiga-ish ...
> ... that some amigans consider as their next OS ...
Some Amigans consider(ed) Windows, Mac & Linux as next OS's. These arent particularly amiga-ish.
> Anyway, all that is REALLY babbling.
I consider exchange of thoughts quite interesting. Also there are quite a few silent readers that can pick up the one or other piece of information.
> We really want real the products.
> Otherwise, how can we compare ?
Definately, if you _want_ to compare. Some don't - either way.
Myself? I wont accept the business model of genesi.
Very harshly said its stealing a competitors product and market; now I do know its not that easy in this case since morphos was started when the future of AmigaOS was less than secure, and at one point might have developed in a different way given certain circumstances. Still the current situation should have been clear long ago when the negotiations failed.
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 108 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Dec-2002 14:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 104 (mahen):
> You got a point. MorphOS is not AmigaOS.
Thats what Im saying and insisting on.
> But is for many of us a good solution, because very similar.
And that I dont doubt, some react very emotional to any critic on morphos.
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 109 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 08-Dec-2002 14:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 107 (Anonymous):
"Very harshly said its stealing a competitors product and market"
What's wrong about that?
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 110 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Dec-2002 14:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 109 (Johan Rönnblom):
Nothing - if youre ethically challenged and on the winning end.
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 111 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 08-Dec-2002 14:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 110 (Anonymous):
How could someone be a competitor and NOT compete?
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 112 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Dec-2002 14:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 111 (Johan Rönnblom):
Maybe you dont understand the concept of "stealing". There are perfectly good ways to compete.
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 113 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Alkemyst on 08-Dec-2002 14:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 109 (Johan Rönnblom):
"Very harshly said its stealing a competitors product and market"
"What's wrong about that?"
2 questions but only 1 reply
Wich is ok to you ?
I hope your not saying that stealing a product is ok.
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 114 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 08-Dec-2002 14:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 113 (Alkemyst):
I haven't seen any arguments for how MorphOS/Pegasos would be stealing
a product in any non-metaphorical sense.
As for stealing a market, it's an even weirder accusation..
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 115 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Dec-2002 14:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 114 (Johan Rönnblom):
This is answer is different from ... "What's wrong about that?"
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 116 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Alkemyst on 08-Dec-2002 15:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 114 (Johan Rönnblom):
"I haven't seen any arguments for how MorphOS/Pegasos would be stealing
a product in any non-metaphorical sense."
That was not the question.
And i also did not say weather or not that MOS/Pegasos are doing that or not.
The simple Question is --> do you think its ok for a competitor to still anothers Product?
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 117 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 08-Dec-2002 15:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 115 (Anonymous):
Well, communication is all about trying to make some sense of what
other people are saying, even if it's not always obvious.
Now, what was said? I don't know, but I suspect the meaning was
something along: "Genesi are making a product that's similar to that
of AmigaInc/Eyetech/Hyperion, thereby taking away some of their
market, and they shouldn't be doing this."
So my question is, what's wrong about that?
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 118 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 08-Dec-2002 15:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Kjetil):
True memory protection is not at all possible in AmigaOS.
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 119 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Bouma on 08-Dec-2002 15:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 114 (Johan Rönnblom):
Well, what one can gather from early interviews with Ralph Schimdt (MorphOS project manager) and later from a revealed confidential email written by Fleecy Moss (CTO Amiga) towards Bill Buck (Thendic-France CEO) is that Amiga Inc told them not to release an enduser version of MorphOS, because they say the MorphOS team has illegally used AmigaOS source code for implementing the ABOX.
Later Bill McEwen stated publicly warnings without using names. But it should be obvious to insiders:
http://aurora.merseine.nu/amiga/billmcewenspeech.mp3
Also there are many more issues which could be seen as illegal activities (marketing, FUD/misinformation spreading, etc) within some countries. The problem for Amiga is that Germany has far less tougher laws than the US. Regardless only the courts can decide, who is right and who is wrong.
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 120 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Bouma on 08-Dec-2002 15:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 118 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
This will be possible in future releases of AmigaOS though, according to current AmigaOS developers.
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 121 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 08-Dec-2002 15:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 73 (Anonymous):
What's the difference? It's PPC native, provides MANY API extensions and
has stuff that UAE doesn't even dream about (3D, GL etc etc etc).
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 122 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Dec-2002 15:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 117 (Johan Rönnblom):
> Now, what was said? I don't know, but I suspect the meaning was
something along: "Genesi are making a product that's similar to that
of AmigaInc/Eyetech/Hyperion, thereby taking away some of their
market, and they shouldn't be doing this."
> So my question is, what's wrong about that?
In essence they are competing with an emulator that targets the same platform as the original product. I consider that wrong, stealing, others are free to draw their own conclusions. Thats all.
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 123 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Dec-2002 15:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 121 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
I dont know about your uae but mine has several OpenGL options.
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 124 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 08-Dec-2002 15:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 77 (Mike Bouma):
Mem Prot does not break "a lot" of compatability.... It breaks ALL compatability
with ALL AmigaOS software and ALL AmigaOS modules over Exec. One EXTREMELY
important thing it will break in the API is *MSGPort...
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 125 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 08-Dec-2002 15:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 87 (Anonymous):
By thought? Think as much as you like... It's not a practically solvable
problem. It's NOT AT ALL possible to implement full memory protection.
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 126 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Dec-2002 15:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 125 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
> It's NOT AT ALL possible to implement full memory protection.
I cant remember writing "full" memory protection. I dont even know what you consider "full" memory protection.
It is definately possible to implement in one way or another, if it meets your personal specifications i cant tell.
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 127 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 08-Dec-2002 15:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 101 (Anonymous):
You're wrong. Amithlon is only a 68k emulator with some other stuff to run
the 68k AmigaOS on... MorphOS contains the PPC Native a/box, which is an
extended PPC reimplementation of the AmigaOS API.
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 128 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Dec-2002 15:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 127 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Its an emulation layer running on a foreign kernel.
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 129 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 08-Dec-2002 15:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 119 (Mike Bouma):
Which won't ever happen as, according to Mr Luca Diana, Amiga Inc. doesn't care
about Thendic. They will just keep spreading that. And on a lighter note that's
only ONE of the reasons there will be a lawsuit... There are much more serious
ones.
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 130 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 08-Dec-2002 15:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 123 (Anonymous):
Ehh, wtf are you talking about? :) OGL on UAE is just to view the Amiga display
as an OpenGL texture rendered in a window... When I say opengl, I mean a nice
OpenGL implementation IN the OS. You know, to run games etc...
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 131 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 08-Dec-2002 15:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 128 (Anonymous):
Amithlon is not even that. It's a 68k emulator running on a foreign kernel.
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 132 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Dec-2002 15:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 130 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
A matter of time.
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 133 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 08-Dec-2002 15:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 126 (Anonymous):
Go ask Olaf Barthel if it's possible to implement FULL mem prot.
Full memprotno software is able to access ANY non allocated memory,
including the OS, other programs etc. Then, take a look on how the AmigaOS
API works. Afaik it could be able by setting up a list with all message ports
of every running task trap every memory access out of the allocated area
and pass it to the tast if it's ok... Practically impossible and *DEAD* slow.
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 134 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 08-Dec-2002 15:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 132 (Anonymous):
A matter of time? Ok... If you say so... Go on and implement it...
That's NOT UAE's point, UAE is a classic Amiga emulator, nothing more.
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 135 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Daniel Miller on 08-Dec-2002 15:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 106 (mahen):
mahen typed:
> I guess you're right.
No he's not. Bouma's latest line of FUD is "MorphOS is just like Amithlon,"
but it's not. Amithlon is much more of an emulation, requiring ROM images and
68K 3.x OS. MorphOS has rewritten all the OS function calls and libraries in
PPC versions.
Any PPC-based OS that attempts to run 68K software has to, by definition, have
some level of emulation, but with MorphOS this is cut to the bare minimum. What does this
mean to the end user? Increased performance.
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 136 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Dec-2002 15:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 135 (Daniel Miller):
A performance increase doesnt change that its an emulation. So the emulation of Amithlon is slower ... but the hardware is faster and cheaper.
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 137 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 08-Dec-2002 15:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 119 (Mike Bouma):
Mike Bouma wrote:
"..they say the MorphOS team has illegally used AmigaOS source code.."
They also said they'd sue anyone who didn't comply before September 1.
It's now December 8. So we must draw the conclusion that either they
lied, or they don't have a problem with MorphOS?
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 138 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by itix on 08-Dec-2002 15:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 122 (Anonymous):
> In essence they are competing with an emulator that targets the same
> platform as the original product. I consider that wrong, stealing,
> others are free to draw their own conclusions. Thats all.
Like Linux is wrong because it is not real thing.
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 139 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 08-Dec-2002 15:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 122 (Anonymous):
"In essence they are competing with an emulator that targets the same
platform as the original product. I consider that wrong, stealing,
others are free to draw their own conclusions. Thats all."
Well: What's wrong about that?
Of course you're fine to believe that anything you happen to dislike
is "wrong" or to equate it with stealing, but don't expect everyone to
understand what you're talking about, and definitely don't expect to
convince anyone..
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 140 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Alkemyst on 08-Dec-2002 15:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 137 (Johan Rönnblom):
Or it could simply be that they dont have the money to do so at this moment.
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 141 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Dec-2002 15:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 92 (Anonymous):
>Screen and window management, process communication between boxes? Depending on the developer such issues are either fun or nightmares.
Definitely nightmare but it has been done over and over again (e.g. with Windows). On the other hand the status Amiga software has reached so far is, mildly put, disappointing, so it may not be worth the trouble to take that pool into the future. It might be cheaper to simply sign porting deals with relevant developers to get browsers, paint programs etc. ported. And forget about the rest. Seriously, who needs the programs from fish disk 352 on Pegasos in 2003 ?
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 142 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Bouma on 08-Dec-2002 15:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 124 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
You cannot say it will break all compatibility. Let's start with a simple example, would Java programs still run on QNX with or without memory protection? Well this on is obvious, of course, that's a much advetised feature of Java. Now what about Arexx, Basic, Rebol, etc Scripts/Programs and other interpreted scripting/programming languages, of course, if the interpreter is up the job.
Now a little harder, what about WarpOS software, will AmigaOS (w/MP) be able to remain compatible with WarpOS software? I don't see any problem if this is handled similarly as currently. The same goes with regard to simple 68k programs. Complex bad behaving ones will be very difficult, but I am not an AmigaOS designer, therefor here is some official info by a core AmigaOS4 developers:
(April 2002)
AmigaRulez: "It says in the feature list that OS4 will have "optional memory protection". What does that mean?"
Thomas Frieden:
"Optional means it can be turned on or off. A lot of older programs can't run with memory protection. This is because normally, memory that is only used by one task shouldn't be used by another. But this rule has been broken many times, partially because people where not aware of this fact, partially because the documentation on this wasn't really clear (the interested might want to look up the MEMF_PUBLIC flag in the AllocMem autodoc ;), and partially because there wasn't any other way (the AmigaOS does not have the concept of "threads" like in other systems).
So, to stay backwards compatible, memory protection will be optional, i.e. you can either completely turn it off, or enable it, with the risk that some programs might run into trouble. Hopefully, OS4 will later on get programs that will make older stuff obsolete, so that memory protection can than be used to full extend."
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 143 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Dec-2002 16:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 105 (Mike Bouma):
>With regard to AmigaOS4, most of AmigaOS has been rewritten by using the original AmigaOS source codes
How would you know that ? I'm probably equally clueless but still, I can't imagine this to be true, much of it rumoured beeing in a rather unusable format (translate: 68k assembler). If I had to do this job, I'd grab the nice C rewrites from AROS.
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 144 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 08-Dec-2002 16:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 136 (Anonymous):
A performance increase? Amithlon has nothing but the AmigaOS API.
No API extensions no nothing. MOS implements lot's of stuff needed
for years that will (are?) also in OS4, like vmem etc.
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 145 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 08-Dec-2002 16:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 142 (Mike Bouma):
That's not full memory protection. Full memory protection will allow no pointers
to be pointed outside of the program's allocated area. To pass messages to a
different task you use the *MSGPort pointer of that task. That would fail.
That's the basis of the AmigaOS API.
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 146 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Bouma on 08-Dec-2002 16:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 135 (Daniel Miller):
> No he's not. Bouma's latest line of FUD is "MorphOS is just like Amithlon,"
> but it's not.
Well that's my opinion, I still am entitled to have an opinion or haven't I? And before anyone says that I am biased, yes I am and so are you.... So what? I try to explain my points of view by giving examples.
Everyone seems to attack everyone else for having a different opinion or point of view. Come on now people, we can live together without agreeing all of the time.... (hopefully)
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 147 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Emmanuel Lesueur on 08-Dec-2002 16:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 112 (Anonymous):
> Maybe you dont understand the concept of "stealing". There are
> perfectly good ways to compete.
What do you think of AMD competing with Intel or the zillions
PC clone makers competing with IBM ?
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 148 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Bouma on 08-Dec-2002 16:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 143 (Anonymous):
A vast majority of classic AmigaOS was written in portable C code. The kernel was written in assembler and therefor I guess has been very hard work for the Frieden brothers to reimplement completely in C.
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 149 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Bouma on 08-Dec-2002 16:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 148 (Mike Bouma):
To be correct, I should add that Hyperion did write a couple of thousand lines of assembler code to implement the kernel/HAL for AmigaOS4.
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 150 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Dec-2002 16:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 149 (Mike Bouma):
> A vast majority of classic AmigaOS was written in portable C code
I don't believe this until someone with the technical background and insight (like, for example, Olaf) makes a similar statement. My impression was that some, or possibly much, of it was not portable at all, beeing written in assembler, beeing compiled on out-of-use workstations, spread over different machines etc. If there was a computer somewhere on this world with a complete AmigaOS C source code tree that could be directly fed to gcc, that would be an *enormous* advantage and OS4 would be ready in weeks rather than years.
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