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[News] AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothingANN.lu
Posted on 26-Feb-2003 15:18 GMT by Nico Barbat (editor-in-chief AMIGAplus)194 comments
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Pegasos is here - albeit in low quantities. The new issue 02/2003 (#133) of AMIGAplus reports about Pegasos and other topics: Content: Review of Pegasos & MorphOS, Review of indivision, Review of Subway, Review of Crossfire II, Report about Quake II, Interview with Genesi S.a.r.l., Interview with the Breakpoint-organizers, Review of SuperView 5 1.0, Review of Digital Almanac III 5.0, Coding-workshop: SDL, part 2, Amiga Status Report and much more

AMIGAplus (68 pages, 4c, German) is available via subscription, via individual order or through the known Amiga dealer channels for 5,- Euro.

Looking forward: Upcoming AMIGAplus #134 includes the following reports: Reviews of TKR LAM200E, IBrowse 2.3, VHI Studio 6 and Birdie Shoot, Compatibility report of MorphOS, Part 1 of the Draco video workshop and much more.

Contact: http://www.amigaplus.com

AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 101 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 28-Feb-2003 09:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 100 (greenboy):
Now your getting silly.

Where did i mention AmigaOS4 in the comment your replying to.

Most ppl would expect code writen amiga API should actualy run on AmigaOS.


Its no good some one saying look what the Dopus auth's are doing for the amiga community with Dopus6 made by amiga coders in the amiga style & spirit but only for windows.

I will not continue with this thread with you as your talking like a child now.
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 102 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by greenboy on 28-Feb-2003 09:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 101 (Anonymous):
"Now your getting silly. Where did i mention AmigaOS4 in the comment your replying to."

So the rules are you must say something before I am allowed to use the words? I think not. And I have nothing against "silly". Some of the best games around are all about "silly".

GameTeam@PhiNiXi.com - "where fun is currently being invented"
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 103 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by greenboy on 28-Feb-2003 09:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 101 (Anonymous):
...and goodnight for now, I'll see your sun soon...
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 104 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 28-Feb-2003 09:51 GMT
No concrete evidence of AOS4 nearing completion can be seen. The affect of that seems to be that peg1 sells like hotcakes!

An IDEA: how about releasing MOS for A1 immediately?

It would give a little bit extra revenue for Genesi, unless it would be given for free, and it would greatly boost the activity in this community.

And the more there is MOS users and developers, the faster the SW base will grow, etc...

Genesi would not loose any HW sales, because I think almost all peg1's are sold already. And when the DDR peg2 appears, it will sell on it's own merits.
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 105 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by whabang on 28-Feb-2003 09:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 86 (bbrv):
@BBRV
OK, I'm generally don't consider myself a "flamer", but WTH are you rambling about???
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 106 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by MrZammler on 28-Feb-2003 10:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 86 (bbrv):
I've never written a single comment on this MOS vs AOS thing. I prefer to stick on the neutral side, untill I can see and test the platforms myself. But I admit that I'm inclined towards OS4.

Anyway, I'm suprised at the post bbrv made.

Posting stuff on someone in public forums, is bad. period. They have done this many times, and frankly, I cant see the reason for this. Who gives a damn what Ben does or that Bill was on the Navy.

Now, pushing people to pirate work of someone else in public (!!!!). Damn, what the f***? Ainc apparently doesnt want OS4 to run on the Pegasos, cant you just live with that? Apple doesnt want MacOS on anything else too, why cant you accept that? You have a good OS for your platform, just concentrate your energy towards that fine group of developers. Let others worry whether or not OS4 will finish. I dont think it's your businness to discuss this.
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 107 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by A very very drunk employee on 28-Feb-2003 10:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 106 (MrZammler):
It was not posted by bbrv, but by a very very drunk employee of genesi =).
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 108 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by z5 on 28-Feb-2003 10:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 86 (bbrv):
Well, bbrv, you just confirmed all the thoughts i had on you. Because i knew you were going to do this, just in this exact manner.

You see, some people don't fall for all that smooth business talk.

Pity that one person has to put to shame a product other people are working on :(
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 109 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by strobe on 28-Feb-2003 10:20 GMT
All of you, shuddap about non-existent OSs!

Really, this discussion is making the pyramids look new!

Let's see if AmigaOS 4 running on the Teron PX (or whatever you want to call it) board isn't a heap of crap first.
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 110 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by Alkemyst on 28-Feb-2003 10:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 107 (A very very drunk employee):
Rubbish

Its got BB all over it.

i doubt someone can write like that when they are drunk.
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 111 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by Daniel Miller on 28-Feb-2003 10:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 90 (Daniel Allsopp):
@Daniel Allsop

I understand your comment, but when you do most of the work you also will make
most of the mistakes. I think in cases where there is negligence people need
to be held accountable, and that happened at least in the case where the
Canadian troops were bombed. The courts really went after those pilots. We
should be doing better though, surely.

As for the guy who commented about Camp X-Ray... they try to get information
about Al Qaeda from those guys. It is not like they do it for personal jollies.
It is not some medieval chamber with sharp instruments there, but maybe there
are some problems; write your elected representative or your newspaper.
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 112 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by AmiTroll on 28-Feb-2003 10:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 84 (cheesegrate):
>Daniel your patriotism, while misplaced blinds you to the real world. btw the french are anti-war remember???

Correction, the French sell Mirage aircraft to Iraq. Im sure they aren't used for cropdusting. That includes missiles btw. And the French have an oil pipeline interest there as well. (the Russians sell aircraft to Iraq too) The French developed nukes. Not exactly the actions of an anti-war nation dont you think? Lots of countries have the ability to develop nucelear weapons, Japan, Australia, dozens and dozens of others but, they dont. France only plays the anti-Iraq-war line because it serves it's own interests and Chirac was elected on the bit of propaganda that Iraq is an American issue when it's really a UN issue being forced to the tables by the Americans (again for thier own interests). I'm sure people from France and Germany will disagree with me. (What does it matter though, if France ever found itself at war it would just surrender again. --Just a joke ppl) Who's blind to the real world here? :P In the end, the world will be a better place without Saddam and i'm sure we all agree on that.

But this has nothing to do with bbrv anyway. (Who still wants me to go to Paris so he can answer a few questions i asked and make a sales pitch. :P Not that i wouldn't like a trip to Paris Bill, i just don't see the need to go.)

Anyway, this whole thread is moronic. How about sticking to the topic for once people? :)

GRUNT
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 113 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by Alfred Schwarz on 28-Feb-2003 10:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 86 (bbrv):
Dear Raquel and Bill (or drunken people in the office, whoever wrote that mail)

> As you can see there is absolutely no interest from the Developers of OS4 to work with us.[...]
> To the contrary, we have suggested a proper legal approach.

You know exactly the problem: As long as you do not accept the licence for OS4 from Amiga Inc. Hyperion is not allowed to make (and sell) OS4 for the Pegasos. So first of all do not blame Hyperion for not making something illegal but Amiga Inc. for wanting a licence.
HJF wrote also (on amiga-news.de) that bplan simly didn't want to give any information about the Pegasos to Hyperion, that was before the licence from Amiga Inc. was born and needed, so OS4 would be in development for Pegasos today, if bplan would have beeen cooperative. So interest in developing for Pegasos was always there, just ignored.
Last but not least, the only "proper legal approach" today, to get OS4 to Pegasos is to acquire a licence from Amiga Inc. for the Pegasos. As long as noone does this - and Genesi seems not to do so - there can be no legal OS4 for it. That's a simple fact, even if you would give Hyperion 500 boards and pay a flight around the world, it wouldn't change anything with the legal status.

Ciao, Alfred
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 114 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by Dan Andersson on 28-Feb-2003 11:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 86 (bbrv):
BBRV

Hi, did you happen to look at http://www.dream-multimedia.tv/ DM7000 ?

Dan Andersson
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 115 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 28-Feb-2003 11:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 114 (Dan Andersson):
>Hi, did you happen to look at http://www.dream-multimedia.tv/ DM7000 ?

looks ahell lot better than a pegashush :)
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 116 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by SiTH on 28-Feb-2003 11:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 112 (AmiTroll):
It would be interesting to hear, what Hyperion and Genesi will say AFTER OS4 is finished.
As for this "where to put that dongle on a Classic Amiga" argument, it has already been stated umpteen times on various threads, that an AmigaOS is (always?) licenced to run on computers with an Amiga ROM. Cyberstorm/Blizzard based systems have an Amiga ROM. I assume it should mean that the dongle is not required to run OS4 on CSPPC/BPPC Amigas. This automatically means that under current legal conditions, AmigaOS4 CANNOT run on Pegasos officially without a dongle, which makes that bbrv PR trick look silly. (Well, not that AmigaInc dongle policy looks smarter, anyway...)

BTW Ben, have you received their letter?

P.S. Oh, almost forgot:
AmiTroll, could you please stay away from politics.
You don`t seem to understand this whole US vs UN vs Iraq issue at all. Besides, your joke about France is downright insulting and worthy of Bush Jr. perhaps. i suggest you apologise. You guys over the pond don`t have a slightest idea of what the REAL war on your home turf looks like, so shut up.
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 117 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 28-Feb-2003 12:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 83 (3seas):
When the question is very vague the answer can not be very clear.
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 118 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by ptitkiwi on 28-Feb-2003 12:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 50 (pixie):
Hi there,
I sould say that I rather agree with Pixie... Genesi said already that AOS 4 would work on Pegasos legally or not...
I remember that I was shocked the first time I read it : I don't think that a company executive should say that kind of things as it is mainly a call to piratage...
Now, Bill Buck seems to say to Hyperion : "Ok guys, let's make AOS4 work on our Pegasos (of course, as if the decision could be taken by Hyperion and not amiga Inc...) legally as it will anyway be cracked and will work on our machine..."
And I don't think it's my interpretation : if it was, I'm sure Bill would have already officialy said "I'm against a piratage port of AOS4 on Pegasos...", no ?

Regards,
Ptitkiwi-Metamiwoo
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 119 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 28-Feb-2003 12:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 96 (Alkemyst):
It runs on Terons. Actually it was developed there, before the Pegasos was
ready, on a custom Teron derivative.
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 120 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by Daniel Allsopp on 28-Feb-2003 12:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 111 (Daniel Miller):
Hi Daniel,

I realise now I was was rather brash with my words, therefore I apologise to you and anyone else whom I have offended by tarring everyone with the same brush :-)

I think we're all partial to a bit of patriotism now and again, it just gets out of hand sometimes.

-
Daniel
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 121 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 28-Feb-2003 12:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 110 (Alkemyst):
I didn't think you were blind enough not to see that it was a person teasing
Genesi and not a pro-Genesi one.
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 122 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 28-Feb-2003 12:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 121 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
what post wasnt posted by bbrv by the way??

also I do wonder why bbrv wants OS4 for a flunked HW platform so bad, oh well its all fun and games I guess :)
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 123 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 28-Feb-2003 13:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 122 (Anonymous):
The post was from bbrv and some anon person teased Genesi saying that it was not
him but a drunk employee. BTW... "flunked"... They didn't stop cause it didn't
sell well, they got fed up of the Articia S.
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 124 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 28-Feb-2003 13:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 119 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
It's irrelevant untill MOS is released for that platform.
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 125 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 28-Feb-2003 13:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 112 (AmiTroll):
You are a pathetic troll.
It was the German chanceler who was elected thanks to his anti-war satements.
Chirac was not elected at 80% thanks to this argument ...
As for France selling weapons to Iraq and middle east, they are far from delevering such volumes as other countries did (ever checked who supported Taliban with billions of $ ?).
You'd better check the international press before the US news/media/press who are definitely bashing to death anyone who are not agreeing with their government and the 60% of the population who supports them in such an action after months of "war countdown" propaganda.

Anyway, this is completely OT.
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 126 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by AmiTroll on 28-Feb-2003 13:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 116 (SiTH):
>You don`t seem to understand this whole US vs UN vs Iraq issue at all.

Do explain it to me in 20 headlines or less.

>Besides, your joke about France is downright insulting and worthy of Bush Jr. perhaps. i suggest you apologise.

It's a joke, suck it up.

>You guys over the pond don`t have a slightest idea of what the REAL war on your home turf looks like, so shut up.

No but we know what it's like to have millions our our sons die saving your side of the pond, and then paying billions to help you rebuild after we won YOUR war for you. So you shut up.

GRUNT
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 127 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by ONE on 28-Feb-2003 13:59 GMT
Buck your my hero and i am glad you said what you think, fucking clown Hermans and Eyetech can go and get fucked.
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 128 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by Alkemyst on 28-Feb-2003 14:11 GMT
You MorphOS users are the low of the low and i hope every single one of you people die and i hope Bill Bucks gets his head smashed in with a sledge hammer.
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 129 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by AmiTroll on 28-Feb-2003 14:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 125 (Christophe Decanini):
>It was the German chanceler who was elected thanks to his anti-war satements.
>Chirac was not elected at 80% thanks to this argument ...

Your probably right, i crossed the two again, but the other did echo the firsts sentiments. Either way it's of no matter, war will come to Iraq.

>As for France selling weapons to Iraq and middle east, they are far from delevering such volumes as other countries did (ever checked who supported Taliban with billions of $ ?).

That's not the point. The point was that France is not the pacifist nation somone was trying to make it out to be. They DO sell weapons and it dosent matter if its a fleet of warships or a single bullet, your either spreading weapons around the world or your not.

>You'd better check the international press before the US news/media/press who are definitely bashing to death anyone who are not agreeing with their government and the 60% of the population who supports them in such an action after months of "war countdown" propaganda.

Did you get all that from the european media? Some people can get the news from all over the world and will still tell you a war in Iraq is the only thing left to do.

GRUNT
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 130 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by Alkemyst on 28-Feb-2003 14:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 128 (Alkemyst):
LOL

Nice spoof
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 131 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by Nonce Killer on 28-Feb-2003 14:26 GMT
Telling people to pirate OS4 is stupid.
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 132 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by Marcus Sundman on 28-Feb-2003 14:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 131 (Nonce Killer):
> Telling people to pirate OS4 is stupid.

Has anyone done that, and if so: in which comment?
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 133 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by Alkemyst on 28-Feb-2003 14:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 128 (Alkemyst):
Plus i have never put my email in the email colum when posting a comment.

I have only every used my email when i posted a topic on here a little while ago.

The AmigaMark thread.
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 134 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by Frodon on 28-Feb-2003 14:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 88 (Anonymous):
Hello,

"proper legal approach is to go through Amiga.Inc. you did not."

Well who develop AmigaOS 4? Hyperion. They even can continue the developpment even if one day Amiga Inc go bankrupt. So they are quite independent from Amiga Inc.
So I think it's logical to contact Hyperion rather than Amiga Inc. Anyway if Hyperion and Amiga Inc are really partner as they claim to be, Hyperion should forward the BBRV mail to Amiga Inc if it's need so...

Regards
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 135 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by MrZammler on 28-Feb-2003 14:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 132 (Marcus Sundman):
From comment #5 (bbrv):

" P.S. As we have said many times, eventually if there is an OS4 it WILL one day run perfectly on the Pegasos without a dongle. BUT, we won't do that and will not need to support the effort, one of you smart gals or guys will sort this out. Of course, you could start discussing this on <PhrojectOS@phinixi.com>...;-) "

They say that they wont support the effort, but, hey, they even setup a mailing list for it!!!!

Bill is 100% sure that it WILL get cracked.

Unbelievable, from my point of view...
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 136 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by Max on 28-Feb-2003 14:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 128 (Alkemyst):
" You MorphOS users are the low of the low and i hope every single one of you people die and i hope Bill Bucks gets his head smashed in with a sledge hammer."

Insults are the last things used by people who have nothing intelligent to say.
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 137 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by Alkemyst on 28-Feb-2003 14:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 134 (Frodon):
IF Amiga.inc go down then yes then hyperion will be the ppl to contact.

But that is not the case right now is it.
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 138 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by Xtacy on 28-Feb-2003 14:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 128 (Alkemyst):
" You MorphOS users are the low of the low and i hope every single one of you people die and i hope Bill Bucks gets his head smashed in with a sledge hammer."

And... so what ? Are you happier after writting down your suprem inferiority of thinking ? Take a nap, bro, you'll feel better after that !

Xtacy. Proud to use a Pegasos. AIM HIGH !!!
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 139 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by Alkemyst on 28-Feb-2003 14:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 134 (Frodon):
Your grip on the way contact channel work is in a world of its own.

For the license you go to Amiga.inc not one of its partners.

Your are you saying BB should contact Microsoft about Aos4 for the Peg & MicroSoft pass on the email to Amiga.inc seeing as there is a partnership with Amiga-DE distro.
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 140 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 28-Feb-2003 14:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 126 (AmiTroll):
Shut up. You cannot imagine how Greeks defended Greece and with what resources
in that war. You cannot imagine what Greece went through. The Italians alone
weren't able to take over the country, retreated and came back with Germans.
Only then was the Axis able to get Greece. Don't tell us we did not FIGHT, we
fighted more in our history than you ever did.
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 141 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by Radfoo on 28-Feb-2003 15:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 86 (bbrv):
pardon?
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 142 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by Lando on 28-Feb-2003 15:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 126 (AmiTroll):
"...after we won YOUR war for you. So you shut up. "

The same way the French won your war of Independence for you you mean? If it wasn't for the French there would be no US of A.

Oh, and by the way, the Americans were quite content to let the Nazis invade the whole of Europe - only when their own shipping started getting attacked they decided it wasnt such a good thing.

Also the IRA were funded and supplied with arms for decades by Americans while they bombed, murdered and maimed innocent British civilians including women and children. Didn't hear anything about a "War on terror" back then, did we?

But as soon as something happens on American soil, it's a different story isn't it? Yes, then its all over the newspapers about "evil terrorists" and how Saddam must be stopped, and the world suddenly has to bow to your every command or else we're labelled cowards or soft. Well, screw you America.
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 143 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by Alkemyst on 28-Feb-2003 15:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 128 (Alkemyst):
now that i Have checked your IP your spoofing is not good at all.

i dont live in that part of the world.
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 144 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by AmiTroll on 28-Feb-2003 15:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 140 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Good for Greece. The 'people across the pond' still died for you and asked nothing in return. How soon people forget.

GRUNT
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 145 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by Nonce Killer on 28-Feb-2003 15:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 143 (Alkemyst):
SHUT UP.
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 146 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by Alkemyst on 28-Feb-2003 15:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 145 (Nonce Killer):
why should i.

Oh maybe cos

Insults are the last things used by people like you who have nothing intelligent to say.
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 147 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by terminills on 28-Feb-2003 15:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 137 (Alkemyst):
>IF Amiga.inc go down then yes then hyperion will be the ppl to contact.

>But that is not the case right now is it.

are you sure of this? I seem to recall otherwise... but thats just from my experience so what do I know? ;)

however insulting between the two parties will not prove anything.... if it's to be done it'll be done as far as pirating or goes I don't think it would be logical for any company to advocate it because as there wont be a retail box afaik, so the only way to do it is for it to be hosted as an iso or sold as a white label in a form that would be installable and that would create legal problems.
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 148 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 28-Feb-2003 15:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 140 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
The people often forget that if europe did not fight in the first place against the Nazis the whole world could have been nazi.
Remember, the war started in 39 ...

Sorry OT again.
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 149 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by MrZammler on 28-Feb-2003 15:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 144 (AmiTroll):
When did an american die for Greece? WTF are you on about?
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 150 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by Radfoo on 28-Feb-2003 15:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 126 (AmiTroll):
"we won YOUR war for you"

Okay, the yanks helped...

But you were there late!
(it was considered a World War you know)

You were not the only ones there!
(USA soldiers represented only 1/3rd op the troops on the d-day landings)

Sorry, but the whole thing about the USA winning WW2 is complete b******s and really p****s me off.
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