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Posted on 12-Mar-2003 05:59 GMT by Christian Kemp (Edited on 2003-03-12 08:46:13 GMT by Christian Kemp)146 comments
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An anonymous reader links to this message by Alan Redhouse talking about Terrasoft, a possible 1.3Ghz CPU module, and XE delivery dates.
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 101 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Graham on 13-Mar-2003 00:43 GMT
I don't see why there is all this hate against AmigaWorld.net?

From what I have seen, Amiga users who aren't interested in MorphOS (as is their right, amazingly enough) want to have a site to themselves where they will not get a load of people in there posting the same old stuff that gets put on ANN and Amiga.org - can you blame them?

They don't go to MorphOSZone.com or whatever it is, because they aren't interested. They don't diss the MorphOS only sites either.

I don't see how it is bad to expect the same kind of treatment back from the people who use MorphOS or the Pegasos. Yet all we see are SNIDE comments about AmigaWorld from people who use MorphOS and the Pegasos.

One rule for you, another for other people, eh?
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 102 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 13-Mar-2003 02:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 89 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
>If I were to do this in bad faith which I am not, I'm no doubt beaten hands down
>by bPlan with respect to the Pegasos which has been ready for 4 years now

LOL - no, it was called K2 Amirage before and Pre\box before and A\Box before! ;-)
In fact Pegasos was "ready" at Nov 2001 Amiga fair, Cologne.

>I also recall "M Day" being announced at least 1.5 years ago.

Cannot be more than 1 year surely.
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 103 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 13-Mar-2003 02:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 91 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
>I distinctly recall that the AmigaOne was initially going to be a Duron based
>machine developed by Dean Brown of Amiga.

No K6-2? Or do I confuse it with the AmigaDE devmachine...?

Speaking of Dean Brown, do you know something about his supposedly developed
4 CPU design?
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 104 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 13-Mar-2003 02:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 92 (Anonymous):
>No, SOME posters as orcs, which is far from wrong, btw

"I'm sure the ann orcs will try to make something sinister of all this"

Fact 1 - He specifically connects "orcs" with ANN, not Moobunny, not AOrg etc.
Fact 2 - He doesn´t say _some_
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 105 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by ehaines on 13-Mar-2003 02:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 93 (Christophe Decanini):
I'm sorry Christophe but you've just validated what Ben said. Despite
having quite similar situations, you're to some extent giving a free pass
to Genesi and then saying that Eyetech and Hyperion "lie."

The objective fact is that Genesi "lies" at least as much as the other
companies. Although what you are calling a "lie" is actually just
having plans that don't work out for whatever reason. If I say that
I'm going to meet you for lunch tomorrow, and then get hit by a truck
and have to go to the hospital instead, did I lie? Not by any reasonable
standard.

In reality the Pegasos was never really released as such. I'm sorry but
a few hundred produced units does not constitute any sort of feasible
product. Genesi very well would have made thousands of them at least
had everything gone according to their plans and announcements. MorphOS
had many many "release dates" announced and missed all of them. I mean,
even now, can I just go to, say, www.softhut.com and order a copy for my
CyberstormPPC? Nope. Will it ever run on anything other than the
Pegasos? Nope, probably not; it's just as "dongled" as AmigaOS4 but
somehow the Pegasos owners don't seem upset about it. Where are the
petitions to get MorphOS to run on the AmigaOne?

I'm on record from quite a while ago, possibly even on this site I think,
as planning to get both an AmigaOne and a Pegasos, but I'm afraid my
intentions have changed. In the meantime, I've found the bPlan/Genesi
announcements as too often coming across and over-the-top and even
hysterical (such as the whole April mess) whereas Eyetech have been
more business-like and factual. From what I know with my AmigaOne
experience, what they write is generally true.

I think what the "ann orcs" fail to understand (and there ARE "ann
orcs," which is not the fault of ANN so much as the orcs) is that both
Eyetech and Genesi would be quite better off if they had released a lot
more product a lot sooner. Instead the orcs take it as some personal
insult and make out like Eyetech or Genesi (depending on the breed of
orc) have intentionally withheld AmigaOnes/Pegasi to personally spite
the orcs. Which is of course foolishness of the first degree.

The problem as I see it now is that Eyetech freely admit this, while
Genesi seem to be trying to play it like they only intended a very
limited "release" of the Pegasos all along and what they really meant
to do is make the Pegasos II, but oh by the way it's a good six months
off. Again. On the other hand, Eyetech could have been more
forthcoming about the CPU module affair. ("The A1G3SE is good enough;
people usually just upgrade the whole motherboard anyway!" "Erm,
actually we're having the A1XE now with CPU modules...ahem....")

At the very least you have to admit the claim for G4 Pegasos modules
to be either an outright lie or a wildly optimistic plan. It's kind of
amusing how the two companies have now switched. ("The G3 Pegasos is
good enough...after all you can just trade it in for a G4 Pegasos II...")

Eyetech has delivered with the AmigaOnes--not any more than with the
Pegasos yet, but even a small amount is more than the supposed "cheap"
Teron boards that certain people whined about, which failed to
materialize AT ALL. Everyone who got one of those $300-identical-to-
the-$500-AmigaOne-boards raise your hand.... Mmm, didn't think so.
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 106 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 13-Mar-2003 02:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 56 (Christophe Decanini):
>I'm sure the amigaworld.net orcs will try to make something
>glorious of all this ...

You get bothered easily by comments like that for one that doesn't take sides...
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 107 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 13-Mar-2003 03:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 93 (Christophe Decanini):
>1) If it was not bad faith when you said that it would be out in february
>2002 it was a very very bad planning. For a project manager it is scary.

Tell that to AMD, Intel, IBM, Motorola and many others. Maybe they'll hire you ;-)
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 108 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 13-Mar-2003 03:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 93 (Christophe Decanini):
>If AmigaInc would have been smarter they could have been Genesi
>months/years ago.

I'm glad they're not or we would have McEwen posting on websites and calling the readers "morons" like some other unnamed person
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 109 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 13-Mar-2003 03:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 104 (Anonymous):
So, calling someones an Orc is really bad, but I didn't see many MOS fanatics criticizing Buck for calling other users Morons. Usual double standards by the people who keep claiming to be unbiased.
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 110 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 13-Mar-2003 03:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (takemehomegrandma):
>They said that if you are interested in the Pegasos you will have to act now,
>because after these are sold out there will be some waiting for the PegasosTwo

Which implied that the machines were available, after taking the money instead turns out that they still have to build them (and I'm sure it's not gonna take 2 days)
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 111 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Clive inverdale on 13-Mar-2003 05:20 GMT
Stop talking about OnesidedWorld and discuss Alans embarrassing post.
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 112 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil on 13-Mar-2003 06:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 96 (Paul Mellor):
My preciousssss :-)
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 113 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil on 13-Mar-2003 06:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 104 (Anonymous):
Fact 1: He doesn't say "All ANN posters are orcs"

Actually, that just about sums up my point. He says the ann orcs will make something sinister of it, which they did. I'm a poster here, but I don't feel stepped on. Why is that, do you think? Might it be that my conscience(sp?) is clean? Might it be that I try to behave as good as possible whenever I post on an online forum?

To me the difference between an orc and a troll (netiquette-wise) goes between someone who just trolls for the heck of it, and someone who trolls with an agenda (accepts failures from one company but not from the other etc). Trolls are supposed to be a bit less easy to control than orcs, methinks. So stop acting like orcs and start
1: thinking for yourself, and
2: acting like grown-ups

Blindly opposing something isn't a whole lot better than blindly following.
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 114 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 13-Mar-2003 07:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 113 (Ole-Egil):
> Blindly opposing something isn't a whole lot better than blindly following.

Excellently summarized, Ole-Egil.
.
SlimJim
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 115 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by SiTH on 13-Mar-2003 07:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 113 (Ole-Egil):
Well said. I second that. :)
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 116 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 13-Mar-2003 07:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 113 (Ole-Egil):
Ahh... signature material: "Blindly opposing something isn't a whole lot better than blindly following."

May I? ;)
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 117 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 13-Mar-2003 07:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 113 (Ole-Egil):
"So stop acting like orcs and start
1: thinking for yourself, and
2: acting like grown-ups"

You are trying to take away their youth and innocence. ;-)
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 118 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil on 13-Mar-2003 07:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 116 (priest):
Heh, I forgot to copyright it, so go ahead :-)
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 119 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 13-Mar-2003 07:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 112 (Ole-Egil):
It would be nice if people were forced to release their interests in one
solution or another ( company employee/assotiate/marketing/fanatic/owner of/
or just pimping soul hoping for money off ). Shame it is impractical.

I don't think we would have any shocks to be honest.
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 120 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Peter Gordon on 13-Mar-2003 09:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 111 (Clive inverdale):
> Stop talking about OnesidedWorld and discuss Alans embarrassing post.

So, if you call AmigaWorld "OnesidedWorld", do you call MorphZone "OnesidedZone", or morphos-news.de "onesided-news.de" ? Or are you a hypocrit?
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 121 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 13-Mar-2003 11:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 101 (Graham):
There's only one reason I'm against AmigaWorld and it is called Mike Bouma.
You have to watch how he starts flamewars on OSNews by mentioning AOS4 and AONE
on each and every MorphOS thread... The same "the mos lovers" do here, right?
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 122 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 13-Mar-2003 11:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 105 (ehaines):
Will it ever run on anything other than the
Pegasos? Nope, probably not.
--

Hmmm, it seems that my BPPC is a Pegasos then... Oh come on...
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 123 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 13-Mar-2003 11:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 105 (ehaines):
Actually I even know the original number of ArticiaS chips they ordered.
They surely weren't 400 nor 2x that, it was more. They had to pull it back
when they started encountering the probs... And moreover Terrasoft had actually
ordered boards from them before the backstab... And A LOT of orders...
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 124 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 13-Mar-2003 11:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 109 (Anonymous):
Not publically... This doesn't mean that he doesn't ever get criticised.
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 125 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Bible Reader on 13-Mar-2003 12:11 GMT
Mike Bouma is a clown with all his blind worshippers to help him spread the word that "Amiga Rulez. everything else sucks".

Amigaworld is for the riff raff of the Amiga commmunity.
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 126 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 13-Mar-2003 12:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 125 (Bible Reader):
You know Colin, I think you must have some serious psychological problem that
prevents you from remembering that you have spewed the same shit so many times
before that we need 64 bit precision just to keep count of it.
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 127 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 13-Mar-2003 13:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 125 (Bible Reader):
One day other than reading your precious bible you should also try to understand it
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 128 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 13-Mar-2003 13:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 123 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
@Alkis

The info on this "backstab" feels somewhat sketchy, even after reading Bills
mention of it. Can you (if you know more) elaborate on what happened exactly?
.
SlimJim
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 129 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by ehaines on 13-Mar-2003 13:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 122 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
> Hmmm, it seems that my BPPC is a Pegasos then... Oh come on...

OK, so where do I go and BUY IT...and I mean the latest version, not
the old public beta.
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 130 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 13-Mar-2003 13:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 105 (ehaines):
A nice one.

I agree with you on a lot of your points.

A lot is promised, too much perhaps, even though for example bbrv has admitted that they're more like just some ideas than committed plans.

And it is too common that people are let to have false hopes (AOS4 for christmas 2002, dualG4 for peg1, etc, etc) that are even pushed forward by some more PR talk & positive spin.

What we, the community, can do? We can learn. "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me." (common phrase of a known member of the Finnish amiga user group, future owner of pegasos ...)

Let's not get fooled by ANYONE anymore.

In the end only time will tell how all those pie in the sky plans work out ... (so far miserably for AI, not too well for Hyperion, Eyetech does slightly better and Genesi perhaps even better ... but none of them has done "well")


regards
priest
// Blindly opposing something isn't a whole lot better than blindly following.
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 131 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 13-Mar-2003 14:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 105 (ehaines):
"I'm sorry Christophe but you've just validated what Ben said. Despite
having quite similar situations, you're to some extent giving a free pass
to Genesi and then saying that Eyetech and Hyperion "lie."
The objective fact is that Genesi "lies" at least as much as the other
companies. Although what you are calling a "lie" is actually just
having plans that don't work out for whatever reason. If I say that
I'm going to meet you for lunch tomorrow, and then get hit by a truck
and have to go to the hospital instead, did I lie? Not by any reasonable
standard."

I don't blame Eyetech or Hyperion for the problems they had. I just say that Ben was far from reasonnable when he announced emminent OS4 relaese at several occasions.
I say that I can not beleive that he did not try to fool the users as he had all the information to know that it could not happen.
I think that Ben really hurted Eyetech business as it is obvious that the more we wait the less boards Eyetech will sell.

"In reality the Pegasos was never really released as such. I'm sorry but
a few hundred produced units does not constitute any sort of feasible
product."

My business partner (Amiga reseller) sold Pegasos configurations and is getting orders for software from these customers.
We wished to have a better availibility of the boards to fullfill all Pegasos purchases but at least we could have a product on sale which is reviving our business. It is our best selling product right now and a product that make other product sell.

"Genesi very well would have made thousands of them at least
had everything gone according to their plans and announcements."

I think that you are misinterpreting Genesi plans here.
The aim is to sell thousands of thousands but not in the Amiga community.
Their plans are fullfilled as they got contract signed for thousands of orders.

"MorphOS had many many "release dates" announced and missed all of them."

I think you are wrong here. The M day MorphOS was released to end users at an Amiga show. The aachen show was more like an announcement of what would be shipping with MorphOS. MorphOS releases are regulars.
You may not see this as a commercial release but you may understand that it is similar to the Linux distribution releases: everytime a release is distributed with new core components and new third parties software.

"I mean,
even now, can I just go to, say, www.softhut.com and order a copy for my
CyberstormPPC? Nope."

You can order a Pegasos with MorphOS now and get it soon.

"Will it ever run on anything other than the
Pegasos? Nope, probably not; it's just as "dongled" as AmigaOS4 but
somehow the Pegasos owners don't seem upset about it. Where are the
petitions to get MorphOS to run on the AmigaOne? "

The cyberstorm/blizzard release has been for beta testers. I have been running such a version for months. A commercial release would not make any sense as the HW is very outdated compared to the Pegasos and that Genesi better concentrate on Pegasos support. They may release it for free.
OS4 was supposed to be running on multiple HW when it was announced, this is why today people complain about the fact that only the Amigaone will get it (which may be true but is not sure).
I wish that OS4 would run on peg2 so we could double boot on it and get the best of both world.

"I'm on record from quite a while ago, possibly even on this site I think,
as planning to get both an AmigaOne and a Pegasos, but I'm afraid my
intentions have changed."

This were my intentions too. I still have a 100$ amiga coupon and I will get an amigaone IF I get my coupon money back.
As a long time member of Phoenix I got the 299$ offer for a Pegasos. A good deal I think.

"In the meantime, I've found the bPlan/Genesi
announcements as too often coming across and over-the-top and even
hysterical (such as the whole April mess)"

I agree that they may have been shocking because you did not know what was behind it.
The April one was because of the Terrasoft announcement. I agree that it was not the best communication that could be done as it confused a lot people who were not aware of what was going on.
At the end you see that BBRV were right: the desktop solution based on articia chip that sold the most so far is the Pegasos (No MAI without April).


"whereas Eyetech have been
more business-like and factual. From what I know with my AmigaOne
experience, what they write is generally true. "

They have been for a while than they started to say bullshit .
Have you read about the posts on the Amigaone ML saying that Thendic business would collapse because their company is a SARL ? Have you seen the post of Alan saying that the April is nonsense etc.
I think that Alan jumped on conclusions to fast and should have avoided such posts. BBRV should have done the same thing with certain posts and several people including me told them so.

"I think what the "ann orcs" fail to understand (and there ARE "ann
orcs," which is not the fault of ANN so much as the orcs) is that both
Eyetech and Genesi would be quite better off if they had released a lot
more product a lot sooner. Instead the orcs take it as some personal
insult and make out like Eyetech or Genesi (depending on the breed of
orc) have intentionally withheld AmigaOnes/Pegasi to personally spite
the orcs. Which is of course foolishness of the first degree.

The orcs are everywhere. So why target ANN first ?
I have read a lot of misleading information on other sites but then it is not a problem when it is making Hyperion/Etyetech look good.

Again. In january some people told here that the Amigaone would never ship as announced and they have been called trolls.
Some people on this board have very good information on what is going on and are just called trolls because they have been announcing bad news.

"The problem as I see it now is that Eyetech freely admit this, while
Genesi seem to be trying to play it like they only intended a very
limited "release" of the Pegasos all along and what they really meant
to do is make the Pegasos II, but oh by the way it's a good six months
off."

Genesi aim is no the same as Eyetech/Hyperion. Check out the pictures from the Cebit and you will understand.
Morphos as desktop OS is clearly supporting Genesi sales in other markets. This is what allows to maintain this desktop OS.

"Again. On the other hand, Eyetech could have been more
forthcoming about the CPU module affair. ("The A1G3SE is good enough;
people usually just upgrade the whole motherboard anyway!" "Erm,
actually we're having the A1XE now with CPU modules...ahem....")

If Eyetech offers ugrade to the other board it is not a problem.

"At the very least you have to admit the claim for G4 Pegasos modules
to be either an outright lie or a wildly optimistic plan. It's kind of
amusing how the two companies have now switched. ("The G3 Pegasos is
good enough...after all you can just trade it in for a G4 Pegasos II...")"

Genesi could have a G4 module very soon if they really wanted too. The pegasos was aimed to be modular. Genesi decided to move forward as the articia cripples a G4. If they offer a G4 solution with an upgrade offer it is not a problem as it is not a problem for Eyetech to have an upgrade offer from SE to the XE.

"Eyetech has delivered with the AmigaOnes--not any more than with the
Pegasos yet,"
I think that there are much more Pegasos out there than Amigaone so far.
Plus I don't consider the AmigaOnes as being the right slution to use Amiga software.

" but even a small amount is more than the supposed "cheap"
Teron boards that certain people whined about, which failed to
materialize AT ALL. Everyone who got one of those $300-identical-to-
the-$500-AmigaOne-boards raise your hand.... Mmm, didn't think so. "

The Pegasos user groups / developer groups members may raise their hands very soon.
At 500$ the Teron/Pegasos can not sell forever. This is why I'am glad that Genesi move to a more modern design.
I would have wished that OS4 would be ready today as MorphOS is. I would have wished that there were as many Amigaone with OS4 as there are Pegasos + MorphOS, I would have wished that an Amigaone 2 based on newer technologie would be available in september.
The reality is that Genesi delivered while Eyetech/Hyperion is still struggling to do so.
I agree to not take any side but looking at facts I can only have a single conclusion whether "pro Amiga" people like it or not.
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 132 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 13-Mar-2003 15:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 130 (priest):
And where does AROS fit in your list?

Dammy
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 133 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Janne Sirén on 13-Mar-2003 16:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 130 (priest):
>What we, the community, can do? We can learn. "Fool me once, shame on you.
>Fool me twice, shame on me." (common phrase of a known member of the Finnish
>amiga user group, future owner of pegasos ...)

If we are to make references, by all means, let us use names. I have no problem accepting that you are most likely referring to me. Nor am I claiming to have invented the phrase above (I believe it is an old saying), but I do use it often in refernece to some parties in the Amiga community.

Yet I have no interest or intention to blame Genesi for the mistakes of others. I will not judge them on the same merits I judge Amiga and partners, since I judge each and every party on the merits they have in my honest opinion earned for themselves. Genesi will crash and burn, succeed moderately or conquer the world on their own merits - and I will judge them on those merits as well.

You know me. Perhaps not personally but via the work I have volunteer done for the Amiga community here. You know I've carried a flag or two, and always for the official owners of the Amiga. I have learned my lessons. We've all grown a lot. I will no longer carry anyones flag, at least not blindly so. Nor am I carrying the Genesi flag, but they do have a product that may interest me - and yes, they did make an offer with a price-point I could not refuse.

But interest does not equal blind following. If anything, it is about giving others the same chance Amiga Inc. and partners had when they started. The benefit of the doubt. And you, I am sorry to say, look like you still feel too stronly about the name Amiga to realize this and to appreciate where I am coming from.

You judge Genesi the same way you judge Amiga, yet only the latter has been the failure it has - and only the latter deserves to be treated that way. When Genesi does something that looks like something Amiga used to do before they started to fail, you reference to that and criticize Genesi. But guess what, Genesi are not Amiga. They will succeed or fail on their own merits. I acknowledge their shortcomings (missed targets due to technology problems), but their successes with shipping products are far more impressive and their participation in the community commendable.

Bottom line: Genesi may succeed, or they may fail. They may do things I approve of, or they may not. They will get my feedback just like others have done. They have already gotten some of that. Negative too. I'm sure bbrv has my emails. But no matter what you say, I will give them the same chance I gave others. Minus the blind following. And that already makes their chance less than the one Amiga got - but that is as fair as I can honestly be. But you refuse to see that.
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 134 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Loki on 13-Mar-2003 18:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 125 (Bible Reader):
"Amigaworld is for the riff raff of the Amiga commmunity."

They why arn't you there!

Dick Head!
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 135 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 13-Mar-2003 19:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 101 (Graham):
> I don't see why there is all this hate against AmigaWorld.net?

I am beginning to understand why now.
:-(
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 136 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by ehaines on 13-Mar-2003 19:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 131 (Christophe Decanini):
Nice response, Christophe...no way to reply in kind without this turning into
one of those ever-increasing monster post contests, so just some points:

> I don't blame Eyetech or Hyperion for the problems they had. I just say that > Ben was far from reasonnable when he announced emminent OS4 relaese at
> several occasions.

Yes, and Hyperion say they learned from that, which is why they've only said
"when it's done" for quite some time now. Learning from mistakes is good....

> I think that you are misinterpreting Genesi plans here.
> The aim is to sell thousands of thousands but not in the Amiga community.

If they changed their plan, fine, maybe they should just come out and say
so because they used to do a very good impression that they were aiming to
get the Pegasos into as wide distribution as possible. Then came the infamous
"we're doooooooomed, Linux will kill us both unless we cooperate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
announcement.

> > "I mean, even now, can I just go to, say, www.softhut.com and order a copy
> > for my CyberstormPPC? Nope."

> You can order a Pegasos with MorphOS now and get it soon.

That's not what I asked. :) Anyway there's no way I'll really believe
that anything will be released "soon"...Eyetech didn't charge me until
my AmigaOne was physically produced and on its way to me, just like they
said they would do.

> A commercial release would not make any sense as the HW is very outdated
> compared to the Pegasos and that Genesi better concentrate on Pegasos
> support.

That makes some sense. Somehow I missed Genesi actually announcing this
though. I suppose it would be trollish to point out that OS4 still is
having the CyberstormPPC release? At least it's nice to support those
users who bought the "classic" PPC hardware, which I seem to remember
bPlan at the time saying about MorphOS, even if they've apparently dropped
that idea now.

> At the end you see that BBRV were right: the desktop solution based on
> articia chip that sold the most so far is the Pegasos (No MAI without April).

No, Bill wasn't right; AmigaOnes don't have any April chip and they work. They
did need fixing but it was just some wires and not a chip with a supposedly
"clever" name. :)

> Have you read about the posts on the Amigaone ML saying that Thendic business > would collapse because their company is a SARL ?

Nope. I don't read that ML much anymore. I'm afraid I don't even know what
that means.

> Have you seen the post of Alan saying that the April is nonsense etc.

Which it pretty much is. Not that some fix wasn't necessary, but the
attempt to make a huge fuss about it was.

> The orcs are everywhere. So why target ANN first ?

Because it's popular and has a significant presense?

> I think that there are much more Pegasos out there than Amigaone so far.

Really? I'm sure Genesi would mention it if the sales were high.

> Plus I don't consider the AmigaOnes as being the right slution to use
> Amiga software.

At the moment, no.

> The Pegasos user groups / developer groups members may raise their hands
> very soon. At 500$ the Teron/Pegasos can not sell forever.

Eh? The Pegasos is custom designed, right? The AmigaOne is a rebranded
Teron board, right? Except that there aren't really any Teron boards as
far as I can tell, not released branded as "Teron" anyway.

> This is why I'am glad that Genesi move to a more modern design.

But the Pegasos was all-singing and all-dancing and better and smaller than
the AmigaOne. Now it's, "Never mind, we'll have a more modern design"?

> The reality is that Genesi delivered while Eyetech/Hyperion is still
> struggling to do so.

I'm sorry but I still can't agree with that, except in a very limited sense.
There was really never any public release in the traditional sense. Just
"Betatesters" and the current limited pre-order thing. Hopefully that will
change with the Pegasos II.
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 137 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 13-Mar-2003 21:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 129 (ehaines):
I didn't buy it and I CERTAINLY *DON'T* have that ancient beta.
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 138 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 13-Mar-2003 21:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 128 (SlimJim):
Dunno if I can say anything on this without being shot but the main point is
that they were to sell Pegasoses up to the last minute.
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 139 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 13-Mar-2003 22:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 136 (ehaines):
"Yes, and Hyperion say they learned from that, which is why they've only said
"when it's done" for quite some time now. Learning from mistakes is good.... "

Unfortunately they haven't learned a thing. Ben Hermans and the Friedens have said it will definitely ship before EOY 2003. Same mistake they made last year, it seems like "we have nine whole months" and the next thing you know it's Thanksgiving again and time is running out.
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 140 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 14-Mar-2003 04:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 133 (Janne Sirén):
"The benefit of the doubt. And you, I am sorry to say, look like you still feel too stronly about the name Amiga to realize this and to appreciate where I am coming from. "

? Almost as if I said something bad about you ?

Perhaps I was not worthy to use that phrase, or something, sorry.

I'm sure you are right about that I'm too hard on Genesi, I blame them too easily. I admit that as my failure.

(but I'm trying to improve... really, I am.)


regards
-priest
// Blindly opposing something isn't a whole lot better than blindly following.
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 141 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 14-Mar-2003 04:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 140 (priest):
... And I thank you for stopping me (again) and making me re-think about the things I say.
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 142 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 14-Mar-2003 04:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 141 (priest):
regards
-priest
// I'm too hard on Genesi, I blame them too easily. I admit that as my failure.
// Blindly opposing something isn't a whole lot better than blindly following.
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 143 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 14-Mar-2003 05:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 134 (Loki):
"Amigaworld is for the riff raff of the Amiga commmunity."

> They why arn't you there!

> Dick Head!

Perhaps there are something even a Dick Head won't lower himself too? ;)

Dammy
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 144 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Janne Sirén on 14-Mar-2003 06:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 140 (priest):
>? Almost as if I said something bad about you ?

I read it that way given our earlier discussions in our national forums. I'm sure you understand given that context. If I indeed misread you, I offer my sincerest apologies on that. Sorry.

I appreciate your acknowledgement.
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 145 of 146ANN.lu
In reply to Comment 7 (DaveP):
Message removed by Christian Kemp for violation of ANN's posting rules.
Specific reason from moderator: Impersonation
Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 146 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 14-Mar-2003 19:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 145 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Will this spoofing never end?
.
SlimJim
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