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[News] Zeoneo Acquires Candy FactoryANN.lu
Posted on 14-Mar-2003 00:37 GMT by mattk141 comments
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Zeoneo Limited is moving into the AmigaOS market with the acquisition of the exclusive rights to the noted and highly respected graphics application Candy Factory. See press release. Candy Factory is a program for creating professional looking graphics using bevels, glows, drop-shadows, bump-mapping, textures and lighting effects. With the minimum of effort you can quickly produce logos, titles, banners, headings, buttons and other similar graphics. Instant visual feedback of the adjustments made means the settings can be tweaked in real-time until you are completely happy with the result.
Zeoneo Acquires Candy Factory : Comment 101 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 14-Mar-2003 19:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 99 (cheesegrate):
>But you don't deny the truth of my statement...

i don't discuss with childish namecallers, i ignore your statements :)

stop trying to stir up shit and provoking people, and I'm sure your
statements will be taken seriously..

didnt mean to call you childish namecaller :)....but i'm sure you reacted
negative to me doing so, and im sure the person you called moron did too...

People shouldn't speculate on the status of OS4 in a public place, you don't
know how long the developers are, and you shouldn't type/post your opinions
on its status as facts...

have a nice weekend :)
Zeoneo Acquires Candy Factory : Comment 102 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by Christian Kemp on 14-Mar-2003 19:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 83 (Christophe Decanini):
Yes. They should be fixed now, though.
Zeoneo Acquires Candy Factory : Comment 103 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by Iggy Drougge on 14-Mar-2003 19:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 96 (catohagen):
I don't believe Linux to be particularly ahead of MOS or OS4 in the embedded/MM market. Real embedded OSes most probably are, but people who opt for Linux encounter a lot of unforeseen problems along the way. Having partners such as Hyperion or Genesi, who have insight into the entire solution, from hardware to the OS, can prove to be quite an advantage to a Linux solution in this case, too.
Zeoneo Acquires Candy Factory : Comment 104 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 14-Mar-2003 19:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (takemehomegrandma):
Funny how you think it should be MOS related.

Cos if it was in the slightest it would be on Morphoszone & morphosnews.de.
Zeoneo Acquires Candy Factory : Comment 105 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 14-Mar-2003 19:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 103 (Iggy Drougge):
>I don't believe Linux to be particularly ahead of MOS or OS4 in the >embedded/MM market.

i think linux is ahead when it comes to developers and technology, for instance
video decoding, internet browsers, audio players....ofcource amiga apps
do the job, but the linux apps have much more developers, compare the
features of the videoplayer/audio player/browser on amiga and linux..
Zeoneo Acquires Candy Factory : Comment 106 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by Zoltan on 14-Mar-2003 20:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (AmigaOne XE):
About MorphOS running OS4 apps:

From the docs the MOS guys released, it looks like they could write a "box" that would run OS4, the same way they did OS3.x. Besides, every now an then there is talk of them licensing OS4. It might happen yet.

Nice to see Amiga companies releasing new software though, 2003 is going to be a good year for Amiga fans no matter what they're running. :)

Zoltan
www.ZEE4.com
Zeoneo Acquires Candy Factory : Comment 107 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by Hooligan/DCS on 14-Mar-2003 20:41 GMT
Ok, I'll withdraw one thing. I was in a hurry when I wrote my post. I didn't mean 'forced to make a mos port', that slipped. Sorry.
But MOS version would help sales, and I don't think porting it takes that much extra time to not make it worthwhile.

Still, I stick to my earlier comment: sales will be poor. As in pretty much every Amiga application. A few (hundred even) A1 owners, of which some percentage may buy it, won't even pay back the developing time and expenses, I'd suppose.

What WOULD be clever is to have Candy Factory 2 with extension modules for each platforms, plugins. This way all platforms could be made useful. To make it OS4 only is not sensible.
And if somebody really comes forward and tells me with light blue eyes that the OS4 owning buyers of CF2 will make it even 50-50 in coverage, let alone profit, I say wake up and smell the reality.

One comment referred to Amigians not wanting make money, not be "millionaires". As far as I remember CF2 WILL be a commercial product. If no-one would want money for it we all could download it from Aminet.
Zeoneo Acquires Candy Factory : Comment 108 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 14-Mar-2003 22:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 99 (cheesegrate):
Please, what does AmigaOS4's current hardware compatibility to do with this thread? You were way off-topic already in your first post (#2) and now all you do is keep repeating it. If that's not trolling then I don't know what is.

Nobody cares if you're right or wrong when you say things the way you do. You see, it's always about how you say things rather than what you're saying. Please, just take this issue somewhere it's appropriate and people might listen.
Zeoneo Acquires Candy Factory : Comment 109 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 14-Mar-2003 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 108 (samface):
Could we stop this ridiculous focus on the thread topics? How about letting the discussions flow freely for once?
Zeoneo Acquires Candy Factory : Comment 110 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 14-Mar-2003 23:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 109 (takemehomegrandma):
Please??
Zeoneo Acquires Candy Factory : Comment 111 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 14-Mar-2003 23:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 110 (takemehomegrandma):
Without crying "hijack hijack"?
Zeoneo Acquires Candy Factory : Comment 112 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 14-Mar-2003 23:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 85 (tonya):
Bitch as much as you want, what I pointed out is that it would have even more
sales if it supported MOS and OS3.x as well and that it IS technically feasible.
Zeoneo Acquires Candy Factory : Comment 113 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 14-Mar-2003 23:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 88 (Hans-Joerg Frieden):
Hans-Joerg, I posted the dream on stuff for ONE point he made.
That as soon as OS4 is out MOS will die. Other than that, I didn't reply.
I also pointed out that if it supported all platforms it would certainly
sale more and that it is technically feasible. I didn't post anything against
OS4, it's software or anyone developing it (and I wouldn't EVER do that, you
know me).
Zeoneo Acquires Candy Factory : Comment 114 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by Hans-Joerg Frieden on 14-Mar-2003 23:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 113 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Most of what you posted is purely based on speculation. That is the point I wanted to make.

The other point I was trying to make is that you said on AW.net not to drag MOS into the topic, yet here you do everything to prevent the discussion from dying down. If you go on and demand something on AW.net, then be consequent enough to adhere to this here, too.
Zeoneo Acquires Candy Factory : Comment 115 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 14-Mar-2003 23:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 114 (Hans-Joerg Frieden):
That indeed is a mistake I did here, but dunno... when I see Samface's name in
a thread, something rings in my head... It reminds me the threads where he did
the same and makes me angry... Actually it makes me REALLY angry, no matter what
the thread is about. I'm terribly sorry if I offended you.
Zeoneo Acquires Candy Factory : Comment 116 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by Daniel Miller on 15-Mar-2003 01:22 GMT
The first program I ever saw running (in a video) on MorphOS was Candy Factory
Pro, so wake up and smell the coffee please! Here, through the magic of Google
Groups you can read about it:

http://groups.google.com/groups?dq=&start=75&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&group=comp.sys.amiga.morphos&selm=3d0cfb24.31704547%40news.CIS.DFN.DE
Zeoneo Acquires Candy Factory : Comment 117 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by AmigaOne XE on 15-Mar-2003 01:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 106 (Zoltan):
>it looks like they could write a "box" that would run OS4

Not legally. And regarding Amiga giving Thendic the license to run OS4 on their machine... yeah right!
Zeoneo Acquires Candy Factory : Comment 118 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by AmigaOne XE on 15-Mar-2003 02:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 116 (Daniel Miller):
I think you should be the one who should wake up and smell the coffee, there won't be a CF2 for MOS and that comes from the mouth of those who make it, both in the press release and in the interview. They're not interesting in MOS, rest your soul.
Zeoneo Acquires Candy Factory : Comment 119 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by Iggy Drougge on 15-Mar-2003 02:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 105 (catohagen):
Embedded market, Cato Hagen. Hordes of open source developers are not necessarily an advantage in this case, and the state of multimedia software on a GNOME or KDE desktop might not be, either.
Zeoneo Acquires Candy Factory : Comment 120 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by Cosmo on 15-Mar-2003 02:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 116 (Daniel Miller):
I thought it was funny that the speaker used the fact that Candy Factory Pro ran in realtime as an example of the advantage of a Pegasos. "So this gives some example of how fast the machine is, even when running on a low end G3". I think this is a lot more likely to be due to how good Candy Factory actually is, since it also runs in realtime on much lesser machines. LOL! :)
Zeoneo Acquires Candy Factory : Comment 121 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 15-Mar-2003 07:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 119 (Iggy Drougge):
>Embedded market, Cato Hagen.

ok :) my fault...

i was thinking of stb/digital recievers...
Zeoneo Acquires Candy Factory : Comment 122 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by Bladerunner on 15-Mar-2003 12:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 117 (AmigaOne XE):
>not legally

Why not? This stolen Sourcecode thing won`t work then, and who could blame the Team
if they integrate OS 4.0 compatibility? Actually, this is done very often.. P96 is compatible
to CGX, OS 4.0 will be compatible to PUP and WOS, so whats the Problem with legality?
Anyway, this is of course pure Speculation, so don`t take this so serious.

Hans Jörg Frieden:
I`ve not read all the coments now, but you said the nearly API compatibility between MOS and OS 4.0 is also
pure Speculation and you said, this isn`t true. OK Actually I really don`t know anything about prorgamming, but
when I remember right, there was Felix Schwarz who said i a comment on Amiga News, that all those flaming is absolut BS, because
OS 4.0 and MOS will be nearly API compatible and that it won`t be that hard to do stuff for both.
OK, afaik Felix isn`t involved in OS 4.0 development, but he does everythingto support both plattforms, and I guess he has the right
contacts and know what he says....
Zeoneo Acquires Candy Factory : Comment 123 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 15-Mar-2003 12:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 115 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Something rings in your head whenever you see my name? Really, you're way too emotionally involved in this. Whatever I did, that's not very healthy, you know...
Zeoneo Acquires Candy Factory : Comment 124 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 15-Mar-2003 12:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 122 (Bladerunner):
API compatability != binary compatability.

Nuff said.
Zeoneo Acquires Candy Factory : Comment 125 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 15-Mar-2003 13:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 123 (samface):
Actually it's the fact that your postings always made me angry, whatever you
talk about. It's your style that annoys me.
Zeoneo Acquires Candy Factory : Comment 126 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 15-Mar-2003 13:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 125 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Take it to your personal mail you two.
Zeoneo Acquires Candy Factory : Comment 127 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by Hans-Joerg Frieden on 15-Mar-2003 13:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 122 (Bladerunner):
You didn't read my comments in full, then. I said that you can actually take an OS 3.x program and compile it for OS 4. I didn't say that a program written for OS 4 will run on anything but OS 4. Of course you can stick to the OS 3.x API's and be compatible, but I'd venture to say that you wouldn't exploit either MorphOS nor AmigaOS 4 with such an approach.

If a program is written specifically for OS 4, things *will* look different. Even if you don't use any of the new APIs, things will already look different, and as soon as you start using them (new Intuition, for example), things will become entirely unportable. If you want compatibility, you need to settle for the smallest common factor.
Zeoneo Acquires Candy Factory : Comment 128 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by Iggy Drougge on 15-Mar-2003 19:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 121 (catohagen):
Well, that is a kind of embedded market, too, so I'll use the same argument there.
Zeoneo Acquires Candy Factory : Comment 129 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by star1 on 15-Mar-2003 22:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 127 (Hans-Joerg Frieden):
by the way at what stage is os4's emulation.
-Finished?
-nearly finished?
-lots more to go?
Zeoneo Acquires Candy Factory : Comment 130 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by Some Farker on 16-Mar-2003 02:11 GMT
Yay! The morphine addicts are trying to steal *yet another* Amiga product!

"Just because they say they'll never ever make a Morphos version doesn't mean it won't happen!"

<smacks forehead>

Of course! This must be the Zeoneo from Bizzaro World, where yes means no!

"We am coding candy factory for am new OS4. We am not coding for morphos."

:-/
Zeoneo Acquires Candy Factory : Comment 131 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 16-Mar-2003 06:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 127 (Hans-Joerg Frieden):
Exactly, but it sounds so much better when an actual OS4 developer say so. :-P
Zeoneo Acquires Candy Factory : Comment 132 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 16-Mar-2003 17:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 127 (Hans-Joerg Frieden):
"If a program is written specifically for OS 4, things *will* look different. Even if you don't use any of the new APIs, things will already look different, and as soon as you start using them (new Intuition, for example), things will become entirely unportable. If you want compatibility, you need to settle for the smallest common factor."

A program that runs on an OS 3.1 machine with a graphics card has the highest potential sales, as it will run on almost every Amiga and Amiga-like around.

Some programmers need sales, others do't mind if they sell no copies at all. The Amiga market is ideal for the latter.
Zeoneo Acquires Candy Factory : Comment 133 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 16-Mar-2003 19:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 132 (Don Cox):
Crap total crap.
Thats the job of the emu's to keep up with the Os.

NO Os or SW should be held back for the sake of the emu's

The Os is the leader the emu's have to follow.
Zeoneo Acquires Candy Factory : Comment 134 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 17-Mar-2003 00:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 132 (Don Cox):
It's all about what type of application the developer is trying to create. No "power application" will ever benefit from degrading itself to the level of the lowest common denominator, it simply isn't feasible and defeats it's entire purpose. Sure, you'll have more compatibility. But then, what's compatibility really worth if you have to strip the application from it's key features in order to achieve it?

But you're right, a calculator or a simple notepad clone for example, doesn't have much to gain from modern OS functionality. However, that kind of applications are really not something you should base your choice of OS and platform on.
Zeoneo Acquires Candy Factory : Comment 135 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 17-Mar-2003 09:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 133 (Anonymous):
"NO Os or SW should be held back for the sake of the emu's

The Os is the leader the emu's have to follow."

A program developer isn't in a position to dictate what the OS or emulations ought to do. He has to take them as he finds them, if he wants sales.
Zeoneo Acquires Candy Factory : Comment 136 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 17-Mar-2003 09:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 134 (samface):
"It's all about what type of application the developer is trying to create. No "power application" will ever benefit from degrading itself to the level of the lowest common denominator, it simply isn't feasible and defeats it's entire purpose. Sure, you'll have more compatibility. But then, what's compatibility really worth if you have to strip the application from it's key features in order to achieve it?"

It depends on the application. I see nothing in Pagestream, for example, that is limited by the OS 3 interface. In fact, it will probably stil work on OS2. The problems come from the need for import and export filters, or the printing problems in the Windows version, and other things that have nothing to do with AmigaOS.

Much the same applies to most other programs. New features such as popup menus may be cute but they are not essential. I find it hard to think of any "key feature" of a program that would require OS 4.

There is a tendency to try to pressure users into buying an AmigaOne by preventing programs from running on existing Amigas. I think this is a mistake. People won't be blackmailed.
Zeoneo Acquires Candy Factory : Comment 137 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 17-Mar-2003 10:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 136 (Don Cox):
But surely there are many "key features" in AmigaOS4 in comparison with AmigaOS3.x. How about virtual memory, memory protection, new 2D/3D/Sound API's, etc.?

But like both of us said; it's all about what type of application we're talking about.
Zeoneo Acquires Candy Factory : Comment 138 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 17-Mar-2003 10:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 136 (Don Cox):
"There is a tendency to try to pressure users into buying an AmigaOne by preventing programs from running on existing Amigas."

Well duh! I mean, are you saying the Amiga will return and become a successful and profitable business again by not buying new hardware nor OS and stick with the legacy stuff that we have today? Wake up...

Cheap customers does not a profitable market make.
Zeoneo Acquires Candy Factory : Comment 139 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 17-Mar-2003 11:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 136 (Don Cox):
> There is a tendency to try to pressure users into buying an AmigaOne by preventing programs from running on existing Amigas. I think this is a
> mistake. People won't be blackmailed.

Blackmail? Did you call AmigaOS2.04 or increase in chip mem requirements of games in 1989
beyond that of a paltry 512k "blackmail"?
Zeoneo Acquires Candy Factory : Comment 140 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by Lennart Fridén on 18-Mar-2003 04:51 GMT
Nice! I've always enjoyed Candy factory - good to hear it got some sort of future.
Zeoneo Acquires Candy Factory : Comment 141 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 18-Mar-2003 12:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 140 (Lennart Fridén):
Yep, and it shows on your webpage. :-) :-P
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