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Posted on 27-Feb-2004 08:29 GMT by Christian Kemp214 comments
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How many unpaid Genesi employees? : Comment 101 of 214ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 27-Feb-2004 23:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 87 (Power Ranger):
> Amiga Inc. didn't pay his employees for many months for lack of funds. BBRV
> helped one of those employees sue Amiga for not being paid (regardless of the
> fact that this individual was told right before that the company wasn't gonna be
> able to pay him)

Ah, so McEwen also told him about non paid medical insurance? Somehow I think you're purposedly obfuscating things...

Btw, hello Luca, long time no see.
How many unpaid Genesi employees? : Comment 102 of 214ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 27-Feb-2004 23:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 101 (Fabio Alemagna):
Moreover, surely the Judge would have decided Amiga Inc were in the right IF they were in the right?
How many unpaid Genesi employees? : Comment 103 of 214ANN.lu
Posted by IanS on 27-Feb-2004 23:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 102 (Fabio Alemagna):
I think you're forgetting the lack of legal representation Fabio. EVERYBODY (including your good self) knows that this case was, at best, quite ridiculous.

Still, keep kidding yourself that Genesi are in the right and Amiga are in the wrong... maybe someday soon you'll realise things are never as black and white as they seem.

Cheers,
Ian
How many unpaid Genesi employees? : Comment 104 of 214ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 27-Feb-2004 23:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 103 (IanS):
> I think you're forgetting the lack of legal representation Fabio. EVERYBODY
> (including your good self) knows that this case was, at best, quite ridiculous.

Which case? The one "Power Ranger" was talking about? Surely not.
How many unpaid Genesi employees? : Comment 105 of 214ANN.lu
Posted by oGALAXYo on 28-Feb-2004 01:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 87 (Power Ranger):
> I hope people will understand what kind of person Buck is. At least McEwen had
> the balls to tell his employees upfront that it was gonna be ok if they had to
> look for another job since he could not pay them. They stayed by choice,
> including the individual that Buck used to sue Amiga for his nefarious scheme.

Yes I do understand things quite clear now. Personally I can't speak anything bad about either Bill Buck or Raquel Velasco since they didn't harmed or damanged me in any ways. No it's the quite oposite I had many emails changed with them in the past couple of months and I do see them as very friendly, visionary and for sure as persons one can trust. As you see, I do have a totally different opinion about them than you have.

And this here is the keypoint. You have absolutely no right to play the judge about other people by going out like a missionary and take various people to the shambles because you have problems with them. The world is full of people and we need to figure a way to live with them in a normal way. Say you have big problems with your neighbour and believe he is a total asshole but the neighbour next to him knows him as very good person (they also met together, do barbeque and so on). This here is a similar situation, while you don't trust them or have problems with them others again do see them as good persons.

But be it that way you said but these are your very own problems and concerns and not mine or not the one from others. I dislike making your problems become mine problems. And I do belive that everyone should make up his/her own mind about all this and not repeat the junk others have told them.

By your own definition, what makes you a better person ? I don't know who you are but all I know is that you have nothing better to do than taking a creditable person like Buck to the shambles - All this because you think he has knocked your little world.
How many unpaid Genesi employees? : Comment 106 of 214ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 28-Feb-2004 03:56 GMT
Say, has anyone seen eva?

:D
How many unpaid Genesi employees? : Comment 107 of 214ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 28-Feb-2004 04:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 52 (Agima):
>>Genesi did a lot of stuff in the past 1-2 years to re-animate this community.
Yeah and now we're finding out most of it was underhanded and illegal.

Only an uninformed fool or someone deliberately distorting the truth would say that. I assume you're the latter. I challenge you to specify *one* confirmed illegal action by Genesi; I don't mean what your or some other forum poster or some magazine writer has interpreted as an illegal action. I mean a file charged. And as for "underhanded," that would mean you know that bbrv intentionally deceived people rather than just misjudged coming events.

I agree that bbrv have been playing hard ball with Amiga, Inc., maybe going beyond what is necessary to run their business. But AI management started the dirty business by saying MorphOS was based on stolen code and threatening to shut down all thieves. And I agree that bbrv could be more restrained in communications and actions at times, rather than going full-speed with the expectation that things would work out for everyone involved.

But your statement is just blatant BS. It's sad to read things so far off base, thinking somebody might actually believe them.

-- gary_c
How many unpaid Genesi employees? : Comment 108 of 214ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 28-Feb-2004 08:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 107 (gary_c):
>But your statement is just blatant BS. It's sad to read things so far off
>base, thinking somebody might actually believe them.

Ahhh.... Finally somone that understands me. Watch out, they're going to call you a "blue" apologist now. :-/
How many unpaid Genesi employees? : Comment 109 of 214ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 28-Feb-2004 08:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 87 (Power Ranger):
>They stayed by choice, including the individual that Buck used to sue Amiga
>for his nefarious scheme.

BTW, how is Bolton Peck doing these days, is he getting paid? Wouldn't it be ironic if he would be swindled by the ones who helped him take legal actions against his former employer? It would nevertheless be interesting to hear what he thinks about all this.
How many unpaid Genesi employees? : Comment 110 of 214ANN.lu
Posted by DBoyd on 28-Feb-2004 09:03 GMT
$The curse of _THE_NAME_ stikes ??$
How many unpaid Genesi employees? : Comment 111 of 214ANN.lu
Posted by Superchecker I on 28-Feb-2004 09:48 GMT
Just because AInc and Hyperion has problems
>doesn't mean every kind of wild theory is justified.

"Hyperion does not have problems as it doesn't consider the unfounded rambling of an unschooled individual to constitute a problem"

A typical Ben Hermanns Slandering. Slandering and cursing creates bad blood between two members of the same society. Why can't they iron out their differences by talking to each other? Because Hyperion owns nothing to talk about. Only a Mickey Mouse OS 4.0 and a faulty peace of mai hardware crap.

But go ahead Hermans and Redhouse. We are laughing about you and your comments.
How many unpaid Genesi employees? : Comment 112 of 214ANN.lu
Posted by Superchecker I on 28-Feb-2004 09:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 111 (Superchecker I):
Again, because of my stupid english :)

Just because AInc and Hyperion has problems
>doesn't mean every kind of wild theory is justified.

Hyperion does not have problems as it doesn't consider the unfounded rambling of an unschooled individual to constitute a problem

A typical Ben Hermanns Slandering. Slandering and cursing creates bad blood between two members of the same society. Why can't they iron out their differences by talking to each other? Because Hyperion owns nothing to talk about. Only a Mickey Mouse OS 4.0 and a faulty piece of mai hardware crap.

But go ahead Hermans and Redhouse. We are laughing about you and your comments.
How many unpaid Genesi employees? : Comment 113 of 214ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 28-Feb-2004 10:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 112 (Superchecker I):
So, slandering the competitors chipset provider in public, financially assisting former employees of their competitor to sue their competitor, using the names of several individuals representing their competitor for advertising their own products on google, taking advantage of their competitors unability to defend themselves in a court and suing them on grounds that would have otherwise been easy to dismiss, claiming the rights for the competitor's as well as their business partner's IP, threatening to sue their competitor's business partners, etc. All this is perfectly ok, but *god forbid* if Ben Hermans say something patronizing about BBRV?
How many unpaid Genesi employees? : Comment 114 of 214ANN.lu
Posted by Oppressor on 28-Feb-2004 11:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 112 (Superchecker I):
Hey Superchecker (-bunny?), please do not repost a lengthy post for such a minor spelling mistake. My neurobiological language module had easily ironed that out, I already forgot about it until you reposted. And now for the obligatory AMEN part: People should start to listen to WHAT people have to say, not HOW... Those getting picky about spelling mistakes are the utter assholes, so let them their chance to come out of their camouflage. :)
How many unpaid Genesi employees? : Comment 115 of 214ANN.lu
Posted by Framiga on 28-Feb-2004 12:43 GMT
cough!! i'm beginning to vomit on the keyboard ATM . . . . has someone a spare A4K keybord to sell?

. . . sadness :-((
How many unpaid Genesi employees? : Comment 116 of 214ANN.lu
Posted by 3seas on 28-Feb-2004 12:43 GMT
if you are not paid, then are you really an employee?

what is the definition of employee?
How many unpaid Genesi employees? : Comment 117 of 214ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 28-Feb-2004 13:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 116 (3seas):
Well, you'd have to be an employee in order to claim your salary...
How many unpaid Genesi employees? : Comment 118 of 214ANN.lu
Posted by MarkTime on 28-Feb-2004 13:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 116 (3seas):
@Tim

if you expect to be paid you are an employee...

I am taking you literally, by definition, an employee is someone who works for compensation, but...if the money ultimately doesn't materialize, that doesn't mean you were never an employee, I think only the 'expectation', i.e. that is the 'reason' you were working for that person, makes you and employee, rather than a volunteer. Ultimately, you can't not pay someone, and then claim they weren't an employee because of that.
How many unpaid Genesi employees? : Comment 119 of 214ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 28-Feb-2004 14:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 117 (samface):
samface probably spends all his time posting spam to ann.lu instead of working.
How many unpaid Genesi employees? : Comment 120 of 214ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 28-Feb-2004 14:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 119 (Anonymous):
Well, mr Anonymous, you're welcome to visit me at my workplace any time. My e-mail is in my nick, drop me a mail and I'll send you our address and directions on how to get here. Of course, I'll be needing your real full name so that you can be identified when you arrive, otherwise you will not be able to enter the building.
How many unpaid Genesi employees? : Comment 121 of 214ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 28-Feb-2004 15:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 120 (samface):
Mental asylum security has become more strict nowadays..
How many unpaid Genesi employees? : Comment 122 of 214ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 28-Feb-2004 15:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 121 (Anonymous):
That's right, joke your way out of the confrontation. Perhaps noone will notice your fear of beeing exposed as the anonymous little coward that you are...
How many unpaid Genesi employees? : Comment 123 of 214ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 28-Feb-2004 15:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 121 (Anonymous):
Though I have to admit, it was pretty funny.
How many unpaid Genesi employees? : Comment 124 of 214ANN.lu
Posted by Lost souls on 28-Feb-2004 16:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Mr. Anonymous):
"When do the lawsuits start getting filed for all the back pay owed to these past employees?"

Which employees, the 800 Pretory employees that got screwed or the Thendic France or more?
How many unpaid Genesi employees? : Comment 125 of 214ANN.lu
Posted by Lost souls on 28-Feb-2004 16:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Anonymous):
"iT'S aLL aMIGA iNC's fAULT!!!"

Yep ! The computers were so good that some just have to own the company!
How many unpaid Genesi employees? : Comment 126 of 214ANN.lu
Posted by Lost souls on 28-Feb-2004 16:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Anonymous):
"Some people should get the facts right:

Most of the unpaid people were contracted by Thendic/France and NOT Genesi. Thendic/France got owned by Pretory who then got bancrupt. So what claims do these people have on Genesi now ? "

If they worked on Genesi/Peg/MorphOS products and were contracted by Thendic France then BBRV owes them!

"Paris, France - November 23, 2002 Thendic-France SARL and bplan GmbH of Frankfurt, Germany have reached an agreement to merge and form a new company. The name of the new Company will be "Genesi". Genesi was incorporated this week under the supervision of PricewaterhouseCoopers in Luxembourg. Separately, Thendic-France has completed the necessary legal and financial steps to separate itself from Pretory USA Inc. and be acquired by Genesi. Genesi will begin operations from Luxembourg on 1 January 2003."
How many unpaid Genesi employees? : Comment 127 of 214ANN.lu
Posted by vortexau on 28-Feb-2004 16:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 124 (Lost souls):
We ALL have noticed that, when the supply of ready cash runs short, the payment to their Lawyers takes precedance over payments due to 'expendable'(?) Employees of Genesi.

Hasn't ANY Peg owners yet realized that the LOW Prices that they paid for their machines has been, in some way, responsible for the aforementioned missing pay of aforementioned ex-employees of Genesi?
How many unpaid Genesi employees? : Comment 128 of 214ANN.lu
Posted by Lost souls on 28-Feb-2004 16:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Anonymous):
"Following your logic: Then the contract between AmigaInc and Genesi is not valid too, since it was made between thendic and AmigaInc and is NOT transferable.
Guess not, Thendic France hired them and it's the very same Thendic France which merged with bplan to Genesi.

Typical USA business man strategy: As long as you pay your lawyers well, you can face anyone in court and avoid people who can't afford to take you to court.

Can't they all team up and start a joined case against Genesi? "

Sure can It's called a class action suit. Sure that the 800 people of Pretory would want a part of that.
How many unpaid Genesi employees? : Comment 129 of 214ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 28-Feb-2004 16:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 128 (Lost souls):
The AmigaDE license was for Thendic Electronics rahter than Thendic-France. Anyone who know the status of Thendic Electronics?
How many unpaid Genesi employees? : Comment 130 of 214ANN.lu
Posted by Lost souls on 28-Feb-2004 16:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Johan Rönnblom):
"I have no reason to believe Genesi would be trying to use unpaid IP
from Thendic. And I think I know a whole lot more than these anonymous
troublemakers. Please go away, you're not helping anyone. "

No ?:P

Posted on 17-Nov-2003 19:18 GMT by bbrv
At today's hearing of the Tribunal of Commerce in Paris a judgment was rendered declaring Pretory, S.A. in bankruptcy and appointing a receiver. The process finally will now begin to transfer Thendic-France's assets to Genesi SARL.

http://www.ann.lu/detail.cgi?category=news&file=1069096725.msg
How many unpaid Genesi employees? : Comment 131 of 214ANN.lu
Posted by Ketzer on 28-Feb-2004 16:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 129 (samface):
Even more specifically the signees were Amiga Inc and Thendic Germany if Im not mistaken.

Whats the status on thendic germany these days? Any relation to pegasos or genesi? Their webpage certainly doesnt indicate any.
How many unpaid Genesi employees? : Comment 132 of 214ANN.lu
Posted by Ketzer on 28-Feb-2004 16:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 130 (Lost souls):
And in a later announcement it was declared that this transfer was impossible.
How many unpaid Genesi employees? : Comment 133 of 214ANN.lu
Posted by Lost souls on 28-Feb-2004 17:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Johan Rönnblom):
"By your reasoning, anyone who doesn't approve every kind of wild
accusation towards Genesi or BBRV is an "asslicker". I have some
criticism towards BBRV, but not that they would be stealing people's
IP by using some kind of bankruptcy scheme. From my point of view this
is a ridiculous theory."

Theories and facts are two different things. We do know the BBRV tried to take the Thendic France Assets from the Bankrupt Pretory, Fact.

Fact, Millions of dollars are owed back to Pretory by BBRV.

What do you call it when you take something from someone else?


"Let me just say one thing about AInc here: If AInc had been closed
down like Thendic was when problems became overwhelming, I would be a
*lot* less critical towards AInc now. A bankruptcy hurts (cost me 3000
EUR this time) but shit happens. It's a lot better than keeping
people's false hopes up for years."

I feel deeply sorry for you. You got screwed out of 3000 euros (plus interest, social costs) and you have a smile on your face!
How many unpaid Genesi employees? : Comment 134 of 214ANN.lu
Posted by Lost souls on 28-Feb-2004 17:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 63 ():
"Have you got your Genesi paycheck or are you hoping your words will earn you a bonus? "

Ass kissing seems to work with Buck.
How many unpaid Genesi employees? : Comment 135 of 214ANN.lu
Posted by oGALAXYo on 28-Feb-2004 17:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 134 (Lost souls):
> > "Have you got your Genesi paycheck or are you hoping your
> > words will earn you a bonus? "

> Ass kissing seems to work with Buck.

I bet his ass is much cleaner than the mouth of some people here.
How many unpaid Genesi employees? : Comment 136 of 214ANN.lu
Posted by Gregg on 28-Feb-2004 18:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 134 (Lost souls):
"Lost Souls" a.k.a. "interesting" a.k.a. "seekthetruth" a.k.a. "tedious idiot"

Come to bore and irritate the good folk on ANN to death now have you?

http://www.flyingmice.com/cgi-bin/squidcgi/mbthread.pl/amiga/expand/98155

Friendly suggestion to other readers : Ignore the foolish liar.

Gregg
How many unpaid Genesi employees? : Comment 137 of 214ANN.lu
Posted by on 28-Feb-2004 18:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 135 (oGALAXYo):
> I bet his ass is much cleaner than the mouth of some people here.

See comment 61 from mr oh galaxy 'why can't we all get along' oh.
Priceless.
How many unpaid Genesi employees? : Comment 138 of 214ANN.lu
Posted by Lost souls on 28-Feb-2004 18:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 136 (Gregg):
"Lost Souls" a.k.a. "interesting" a.k.a. "seekthetruth" a.k.a. "tedious idiot"

Come to bore and irritate the good folk on ANN to death now have you?

http://www.flyingmice.com/cgi-bin/squidcgi/mbthread.pl/amiga/expand/98155

Friendly suggestion to other readers : Ignore the foolish liar.

Gregg

Is that all you can do? Just call names? Your not worth my time!

Remember to tell the truth when the depo's come.
How many unpaid Genesi employees? : Comment 139 of 214ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil on 28-Feb-2004 19:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Lennart Fridén):
Well, if Gunne isn't paying himself then he certainly wouldn't tell US, would he? ;-)
How many unpaid Genesi employees? : Comment 140 of 214ANN.lu
Posted by Oppressor on 28-Feb-2004 19:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 136 (Gregg):
Friendly suggestion: Be at least polite enough not to post links to links.
A little abstract would be nice. Thanks.
How many unpaid Genesi employees? : Comment 141 of 214ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 28-Feb-2004 20:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 131 (Ketzer):
Well, the license defines "Thendic" as "Thendic Electronic Components, GmbH, a company incorporated under the laws of Germany ("Thendic") with offices at
How many unpaid Genesi employees? : Comment 142 of 214ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 28-Feb-2004 20:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 131 (Ketzer):
Well, the license defines "Thendic" as "Thendic Electronic Components, GmbH, a company incorporated under the laws of Germany ("Thendic") with offices at Dyroffstrasse, 1, D-63741 Aschaffenburg, Germany".

They have a website? You don't happen to have a link, do you?
How many unpaid Genesi employees? : Comment 143 of 214ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 28-Feb-2004 20:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 141 (samface):
How did that post get there? Stupid Internet Exploder... :-/
How many unpaid Genesi employees? : Comment 144 of 214ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 28-Feb-2004 20:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 142 (samface):
Nevermind, found it.
How many unpaid Genesi employees? : Comment 145 of 214ANN.lu
Posted by cecilia on 28-Feb-2004 22:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 118 (MarkTime):
if you expect to be paid you are an employee...

I am taking you literally, by definition, an employee is someone who works for compensation, but...if the money ultimately doesn't materialize, that doesn't mean you were never an employee, I think only the 'expectation', i.e. that is the 'reason' you were working for that person, makes you and employee, rather than a volunteer. Ultimately, you can't not pay someone, and then claim they weren't an employee because of that.
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also, if you get a check and even if it bounces, a check is a contract. it shows intent.
How many unpaid Genesi employees? : Comment 146 of 214ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 29-Feb-2004 07:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Anonymous):
> Where do people eat better ?

> a) Mc Donalds
> b) Wendy's
> c) Burger King
> d) Pizza Hut
> e) Home at Mom
> f) China

Well considering I'm typing this reply from Shakou in China and there is a McDonalds, a KFC and a TCBY within walking distance of my office then I'd say option "f" can be removed (and the McD's is always packed over here unlike the KFC which probably isn't doing so well because of the bird flu).

Of course, I prefer to eat at the English pub or either of the 2 Irish pubs here....
How many unpaid Genesi employees? : Comment 147 of 214ANN.lu
Posted by Coder on 29-Feb-2004 10:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 146 (Darrin):
Hi Darrin,

Well it's amazing to see here in Bangkok how full the KFC's are again. I guess since the government declared that it is "safe" to eat chicken people must have thought it really is.

Anyway the best eating place is of course home at mom's. :-)

Coder
How many unpaid Genesi employees? : Comment 148 of 214ANN.lu
Posted by Gregg on 29-Feb-2004 13:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 140 (Oppressor):
Fair enough, if a little inaccurate - the link was to a thread with lots of words in it, which also contained links.

It would be difficult to summarise in an extract the tedious history of this multiple personality on Moo Bunny - I just wanted to alert ANN to the fact that the poster has a well-documented history of making empty threats, never saying anything of substance, using multiple nicks, and telling lies. I think I can safely say it is currently the most unwanted and derided poster on Moo Bunny - and that's saying something.

Does that do it for you?

Gregg
How many unpaid Genesi employees? : Comment 149 of 214ANN.lu
Posted by Gregg on 29-Feb-2004 13:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 138 (Lost souls):
Those are not "names", they're facts, you fool.

Of course, your congenital inability to identify a fact even if it was a 600 pound gorilla sitting on your face while shouting "I'm a f@%$ing fact, you fat-headed f^#%wit!" is at the root of your problem*, so it's no surprise to see you making the same mistake yet again.

Gregg

* : Granted, the words may be a bit muffled by the hairy thighs clamped round the ears, but I think the essential message should be able to get through...
How many unpaid Genesi employees? : Comment 150 of 214ANN.lu
Posted by Lost souls on 29-Feb-2004 19:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 149 (Gregg):
Those are not "names", they're facts, you fool.

Your confused Gregg boy! Learn the difference between, facts, spin, truth, and lies. It will help you in the future!
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