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[News] AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothingANN.lu
Posted on 26-Feb-2003 15:18 GMT by Nico Barbat (editor-in-chief AMIGAplus)194 comments
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Pegasos is here - albeit in low quantities. The new issue 02/2003 (#133) of AMIGAplus reports about Pegasos and other topics: Content: Review of Pegasos & MorphOS, Review of indivision, Review of Subway, Review of Crossfire II, Report about Quake II, Interview with Genesi S.a.r.l., Interview with the Breakpoint-organizers, Review of SuperView 5 1.0, Review of Digital Almanac III 5.0, Coding-workshop: SDL, part 2, Amiga Status Report and much more

AMIGAplus (68 pages, 4c, German) is available via subscription, via individual order or through the known Amiga dealer channels for 5,- Euro.

Looking forward: Upcoming AMIGAplus #134 includes the following reports: Reviews of TKR LAM200E, IBrowse 2.3, VHI Studio 6 and Birdie Shoot, Compatibility report of MorphOS, Part 1 of the Draco video workshop and much more.

Contact: http://www.amigaplus.com

AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 151 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by Alkemyst on 28-Feb-2003 15:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 147 (terminills):
Your claiming that Am,iga.inc are gone.

Show me.

Show me where it states that are bankrupt.
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 152 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 28-Feb-2003 15:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 144 (AmiTroll):
It is said that if the Germans didn't delay themselves in Greece they would win
the war, cause they wouldn't have to fight in the Russian winter.
Yet, nobody gave us any help. As if it didn't happen. And yet... The CIA
organised a dictatorship here.
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 153 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by AmiTroll on 28-Feb-2003 15:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 142 (Lando):
>The same way the French won your war of Independence for you you mean? If it wasn't for the French there would be no US of A.

Are Americans are the least bit resentfull of this? Not at all, in fact it's required history in grade schools.

>Oh, and by the way, the Americans were quite content to let the Nazis invade the whole of Europe - only when their own shipping started getting attacked they decided it wasnt such a good thing.

Yeah the shipments of arms to help Europe.

>Also the IRA were funded and supplied with arms for decades by Americans while they bombed, murdered and maimed innocent British civilians including women and children. Didn't hear anything about a "War on terror" back then, did we?

True enough, and it's probably one of the worst things in American history. Yet somehow people convince themselves that it's all the US's fault the whole thing started. There are moron politicians everywhere, the one who funded the IRA was definatly one of them.

>But as soon as something happens on American soil, it's a different story isn't it? Yes, then its all over the newspapers about "evil terrorists" and how Saddam must be stopped, and the world suddenly has to bow to your every command or else we're labelled cowards or soft. Well, screw you America.

Just fine, the next time some small european country is invaded with a genocidal war, the USA should just say screw you. The USA is definatly not perfect but don't sit there acting like europe dosent go running to the states every 4 years over some new war you guys manage to get started.

GRUNT
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 154 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by AmiTroll on 28-Feb-2003 16:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 150 (Radfoo):
>But you were there late! (it was considered a World War you know)

Some still wan't the US to go back to being an isolationist nation, if you can believe that garbage.

>You were not the only ones there! (USA soldiers represented only 1/3rd op the troops on the d-day landings)

Not in sheer manpower no. If any country lost people it was the poor Russians. The germans slaughtered millions of them and they just kept comeing from the east in millions more. True, the US only brought 1.3 million troops (i know that number is wrong but close) but without thier production of equipment (tanks, planes you know) there would have been nothing to fight with. The Germans owned all the industrial facilities and thier weapons were far better than the allies could create at the time.

GRUNT
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 155 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 28-Feb-2003 16:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 153 (AmiTroll):
Nobody is perfect and there is no such thing as a number one country.
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 156 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by AmiTroll on 28-Feb-2003 16:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 155 (Christophe Decanini):
>Nobody is perfect and there is no such thing as a number one country.

We finally agree. :)

GRUNT
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 157 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by Nonce Killer on 28-Feb-2003 16:19 GMT
Alkemyst just shut the fuck up and get back to wanking over the name amiga, you blind Amiga following fucking cunt.

If child porn was called Amichild porn you would be the first to watch and wank over it.
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 158 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by Ryu on 28-Feb-2003 16:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 157 (Nonce Killer):
I think someone needs their mouth washing out with soap....

get a life dude, there is no need for that kind of response to anything, do you really want us all to think you are a lowlife piece of scum?
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 159 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by Ryu on 28-Feb-2003 16:29 GMT
Sorry for above comment. i do like child pornography material but i hate people who swear on websites.

Webmaster please remove the about 2 posts and also provide links to child pornography material.
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 160 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 28-Feb-2003 16:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 159 (Ryu):
That was some seriously obvious spoofing of poor Ryu. Cut it out.
.
SlimJim
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 161 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by Nigger H8R on 28-Feb-2003 16:36 GMT
Bill Bucks needs medical help.
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 162 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 28-Feb-2003 16:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 152 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
"It is said that if the Germans didn't delay themselves in Greece they would win
the war, cause they wouldn't have to fight in the Russian winter.
Yet, nobody gave us any help."

There were British and Australian forces there fighting alongside the Greeks. They couldn't defeat the Germans, but they did help to delay their advance. Many were captured.

Also, the British navy sunk several Italian warships two weeks after the invasion of Greece.

Although Hitler liked to blame his failure in Russia on Mussolini, only a very small fraction of the German forces was tied up in Greece, so it probably made littele difference.
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 163 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by Vidar on 28-Feb-2003 17:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 162 (Don Cox):
"Although Hitler liked to blame his failure in Russia on Mussolini, only a very small fraction of the German forces was tied up in Greece, so it probably made littele difference."

I think the failure of the Italians to win North Africa was more responsible for the outcome of the war. But then there are lots of such moments that might have changed the war..
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 164 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by AmiTroll on 28-Feb-2003 17:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 159 (Ryu):
I may be opinionated, maybe even act rude, arrogant and obnoxious at times (and maybe a few other things just for greater contrast here), but you really are a first class moron if this is all you can come out with. There isn't the least shred of cogent thought in your deranged ramblings and the effort you've spent spoofing an ip to put your pointless comments here on ANN could have been put to better use trying commit suicide by driving a red hot poker in your ear in an attempt to stab the few brain cells you have left after whats obviously been years of intense drug abuse.

GRUNT
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 165 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 28-Feb-2003 17:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 148 (Christophe Decanini):
>if europe did not fight in the first place against the Nazis the whole world could have been nazi.

And if Europe does not stop USA now, the whole world will become USA eventually.
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 166 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 28-Feb-2003 17:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 156 (AmiTroll):
But initiating a rant on the french was not welcome as would have been a rant on the USA people. There is enough prejudice around, we don't need to add more.
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 167 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 28-Feb-2003 17:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 159 (Ryu):
You guys are pathetic. And I'am speaking of both sides.
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 168 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by AmiTroll on 28-Feb-2003 18:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 166 (Christophe Decanini):
>But initiating a rant on the french was not welcome as would have been a rant on the USA people. There is enough prejudice around, we don't need to add more.

It wasent intended as a rant on the French. If anyone read it as anything but a joke, well that wasn't the way it was written. People are much too sensitive these days. Telling a joke is a bit different from believing it's true. But there is enough prejudice around yes. I see it every day.

The only one i wanted to insult was the ip spoofer up there. And only because he really needed a good example. ;)

GRUNT
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 169 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by Ryu on 28-Feb-2003 19:07 GMT
thanks guy for the support :-) I feel honored to of been spoofed ;)
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 170 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by anonymous on 28-Feb-2003 20:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 116 (SiTH):
Hmmmmmmmmmmm, The British invasion in the war of 1812. The campaigns against those of us who are natives. The bombing of Pearl Harbor. The BATF attacking our own citizens.

Maybe not on a large scale, but there are those who know...
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 171 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by terminills on 28-Feb-2003 20:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 151 (Alkemyst):
I never claimed they were gone I said that it's not neccisarily them you have to go through for lisencing
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 172 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by Alkemyst on 28-Feb-2003 20:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 171 (terminills):
Where does it legally state that they do not have to ?
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 173 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by terminills on 28-Feb-2003 21:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 172 (Alkemyst):
maybe you should instead of assuming talk to hyperion and Amiga Inc. About Who you need to go through...
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 174 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by Keith Blakemore-Noble on 28-Feb-2003 21:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 69 (pixie):
So in other words, I presented a realistic scenario which you cannot conter, so instead of discussing you simply try to ignore the facts.

Yup, Pixie, you are trolling yet again. Rather sad, but if that's what gets you through the night...
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 175 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by greenboy on 28-Feb-2003 22:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 128 (Alkemyst):
"You MorphOS users are the low of the low and i hope every single one of you people die and i hope Bill Bucks gets his head smashed in with a sledge hammer"

Wow, that's about what I used to say under my breath when I was 8 and I had to watch my baby sister and my parents wouldn't let me do something more fun. Hilarious!
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 176 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by Alkemyst on 28-Feb-2003 22:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 175 (greenboy):
Everbody knows that post was not by me.

I got sent an email from BBRV.

as i send before check the IP address & you will see it comes from the

I only just worked out what they ment with what they said in the Email sent to me.

BBVR you are LOW with emailing me with such comments.

I live in the UK not Netherlands.


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AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 177 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by Daniel Miller on 28-Feb-2003 23:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 120 (Daniel Allsopp):
@ Daniel A.

You did not offend me really and I understand your frustration with the type of
incidents you refer to, so no problem. Maybe I should have been clearer with my
words but I did not mean to suggest that other countries' soldiers could not be
just as good, so excuse me for that. :)

PS: buy a Pegasos.
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 178 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by greenboy on 28-Feb-2003 23:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 135 (MrZammler):
>> #5 (bbrv):
>>" P.S. As we have said many times, eventually if there is an OS4 it WILL one day run perfectly on the Pegasos without a dongle. BUT, we won't do that and will not need to support the effort, one of you smart gals or guys will sort this out. Of course, you could start discussing this on <PhrojectOS@phinixi.com>...;-) "

> MrZammler :
>They say that they wont support the effort, but, hey, they even setup a mailing list for it!!!!

Wrong, boyo. From
http://amiga.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?forum=1&topic_id=6724&post_id=92460&viewmode=thread&order=1#92460

(this is me talking atcha): "And BTW, nobody from Genesi or Phoenix is advocating PIRACY. The Phoenix PhrojectOS workgroup is working at porting OpenSource stuff like Mozilla and designing projects that will use Pegasos with OpenSource OSes - various flaves of Linux and BSD, etc, and has some pretty talented people from the Open Source (and QNX/posix) communities involved."


>Bill is 100ure that it WILL get cracked.

Sure he is. Anything that has ever been dongelized or copy protected is just practically an open invitation for people who get off on building a cracking rep. Like, duh! Look at the track record for copy protection. It's a red cape for the cracker bull. Seehund has it right: this is not an anti-piracy measure, this i more like a captive market value-subtracted reseller (VSR) move.


>Unbelievable, from my point of view...

Perhaps BBRV could have stated all this more clearly. And perhaps people who want to paint him LIVE EVIL make sure they misinterpret it as well as they can ; }

...Well, while I'm here I might as well do another pull quote from that Amiga.org thread. It's another kind of fudbuster, incidentally - from the GameTeam@phinixi.com list. Jolyon Ralph of Almathera by way of self-introduction mentioned this a couple days ago (put here with his permission):

"Oh, and a quick word about the rumours about Almathera/Viscorp - a lot of things were said about the demise of Almathera and Viscorp's part in it, some attributed to me, which were simply not true. If they were true I wouldn't be so happy to be working with Bill again, and I'm certainly happy to!"



<--greenboy---<<<<
coordinator & facilitator-at-large
Phoenix Developer Consortium [http://phinixi.com]
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 179 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by greenboy on 28-Feb-2003 23:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 176 (Alkemyst):
>Everbody knows that post was not by me.

Sorry, Alkemyst. When I quoted that I didn't know who to attribute it to. I only knew that thought of that caliber is ludicrous and represents the New Amiga Diapora (NAD) ; }

...Diapera...? Well, anyway...


>BBVR you are LOW with emailing me with such comments.

Perhaps he emailed the wrong person, but surely he had the right to email whoever it really was. Really sucks to be caught in the crossfire because of some poser, I know.

Hope there are no hard feelings now, Alkemyst. A misunderstanding...
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 180 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by Alkemyst on 28-Feb-2003 23:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 179 (greenboy):
Your just as lame as BB with the excuse you make for his actions.

Why dont you let him explain him self instead of you doing so most of the time.

No one else emailed me cos they all know it was not me.

And with the skill that BB have shown in the past at getting ppls personal details Address,Phonenumbers i think he is quite able to check the IP him self & see its not nowhere near the part of the planet to where i live.
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 181 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by Alkemyst on 01-Mar-2003 01:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 176 (Alkemyst):
Please post the email on here you recieved from Bill Bucks, i would like to see how nasty a man can be.
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 182 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by Tony on 01-Mar-2003 01:17 GMT
The above comment was me asking Alkemyst to post the email message, no spoofing :o)
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 183 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by greenboy on 01-Mar-2003 01:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 180 (Alkemyst):
my god. maybe the poser is just you in a different locale ; }
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 184 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 01-Mar-2003 01:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 183 (greenboy):
Heh. Alkemyst, here's an idea: If you can't remember to clear the "Name" field in the posting form, then delete the ANN.lu cookie containing your username. It'll save you some embarrassment when you're gonna whine about "evil spoofers sullying your good name" next time, or invent more People Mistreated By The Great Non-Trademark-Owning Statan.

Another idea: get a good name worth sullying. Nobody really cares about a dyslectic fanatic troll.
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 185 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 01-Mar-2003 01:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 184 (Anonymous):
> Statan.

Satan.
A typo, honest guv! No dyslexia here! :)
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 186 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by Alkemyst on 01-Mar-2003 01:59 GMT
Greendog take your dick out of Bucks mouth and stop defending Buck.

Bill Buck if you want to be a fucking idiot and send me emails then why not top yourself and leave me alone you piece of shit.
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 187 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by Marcus Sundman on 01-Mar-2003 03:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 186 (Alkemyst):
How can you be such an asshole? I mean, how old are you? Grow up!
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 188 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by Marcus Sundman on 01-Mar-2003 03:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 187 (Marcus Sundman):
Uh... why do I even try? It's not like it'll make any difference or anything... sigh..
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 189 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by Michael philips on 01-Mar-2003 05:14 GMT
Alkemyst you are a disgrace to Amiga users everywhere and i am ashamed of you and people like you.

Threatening comments against bbrv is out of order and i hope you will apologies to Mr B Buck to show you are a man and not a child.
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 190 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by Alkemyst on 01-Mar-2003 08:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 189 (Michael philips):
@Marcus Sundman & Michael philips

When you have been sent an Email from BB like i have you would think different.

But you have no idear.

Notthing in my comment was threatening BBRV with anything.

BBRV are the ones that should grow up & stop sending emails to ppl who are not intrested in his crap.
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 191 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by Alkemyst on 01-Mar-2003 08:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 189 (Michael philips):
@Marcus Sundman & Michael philips

I only just noticed that you were replying to post 186 wich was not me.
But yet again someone from Germany.

So i will retract my comment to you.

@184

I never used the cookie feature.
But i will post anon from now on so if my nick pops up in any post here ppl will know its not by me.
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 192 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 01-Mar-2003 08:46 GMT
Seems that nothing is Moderated here any more.

This thread must of broken most of the rules.


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AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 193 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by 3seas on 01-Mar-2003 14:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 85 (gary_c):
No, Gary C...Only recently did Sony announce it will stop manufacturing Beta...but even this does not mean it's no longer being used.If you haven't noticed, even VHS is being phased out. It doesn't mean everyone is suddenly going to stop using VHS.To further miss the analogy ignore the age of Betamax vs. PPC.....and the timeline yet to possibly happen for PPC.
AMIGAplus 02/2003 - A wolf in sheep's clothing : Comment 194 of 194ANN.lu
Posted by 3seas on 01-Mar-2003 14:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 86 (bbrv):
I came to the conclusion that by giving the RIAA what they want and the resulting public response is perhaps the way to change the recording industry. Rather than fighting it tooth and nail, delaying a better system of support for artists.The same can be said of Amiga IP.... Will it work? The fact that MS is now caught in one of their outright court room lies in opening the source of windows up to China....Yeah.... it will work..... In summary, do not pirate Amiga IP, do not fight Amiga's constraints on their IP... let them fail. The sooner that happens the higher the probability of productive and needed change for those needing such a change.
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