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[News] Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off?ANN.lu
Posted on 16-May-2003 03:12 GMT by Some Farker (Edited on 2003-05-16 07:51:51 GMT by Christian Kemp)265 comments
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(via amiga.org) Amiga, Inc's office equipment is being auctioned off by a 3rd party auction company in Washington State. What does this portend? From the 2nd site:

"AMIGA INC
10AM - TUESDAY - JUNE 17
Preview 8-10am, Tuesday, June 17
34935 SE Douglas St, Suite 210
Snoqualmie, WA

Dot com servers, pc's, printers & late model furniture"

Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 151 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Tigger on 16-May-2003 14:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 148 (Ian Shurmer):
Ian,

I understand your question, but I'd like to point out that on the same page both Network Commerce and Consolidated Freightways are being auctioned as part of bankruptcy proceedings (see there individual websites) and yet are listed as Network Commerce & CF not as stuff seized by creditors. Also the auction is occuring at the old Amiga Inc facility, you have to believe that for a year (but remember they didnt fess up to that for much longer) Amiga has been out of that facility, but their landlord has been letting them keep stuff there without paying rent. Remember they officially "moved" to save money, surely renting both Suite 10 and some mystery (and in reality nonexistant) new offices isnt the way to save money. Since the auction and the preview is at the old offices, its pretty obvious Amiga Inc is not the seller.
-Tig
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 152 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Wayne Hunt on 16-May-2003 14:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 148 (Ian Shurmer):
It's "under their name" because that is a LEGAL federal requirement for foreclosure auctions. Remember, unfortunately in this case, foreclosure does not mean bankrupt. Foreclosure is when the bank takes your car for lack of payment, or your house for lack of mortgage payment. In this case, the landlord seized the property for lack of about 20,000 USD in back rent.

It's that simple. It is factual, and it is very well documented and this proof is publicly available by simply calling the WA state court clerk's office and writing a check for the research and copying fees.

(I have seen it through Rich Woods' hard work at retrieving the documents from WA state courts)

There is no positive spin that can be put on this, and the ONLY people left defending it are those who are apparently hypnotized by "Fleecy" the pied piper.
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 153 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Ian Shurmer on 16-May-2003 14:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 152 (Wayne Hunt):
@Tigger and Wayne

Thanks for the replies, i'm not familiar with the ins and outs of Law (especially American law) - and this does go some way to explaining it.

@Wayne

I would possibly ignore your grievances with Amiga Inc if it wasn't for the stupid comments you seem to make at the end of each of your postings. You run one of the largest Amiga websites around - so at least try and act with a bit of maturity.

Cheers,
Ian
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 154 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by MarkTime on 16-May-2003 15:06 GMT
I agree, there is no positive spin.

we can't even expect to get any really neat amiga equipment out of this auction, probably...if apple was being liquidated, at least we'd get to see
just how many pc's, how many unix servers, and howm any mac's they were really using to run their offices....and we'd get a chance to buy at auction some really neat mac prototypes and equipment.

But, this is Amiga, Inc....what are the odds they used any Amiga's in their offices at all, or even had an amigaONE.

I guess we'll find out if they preferred Dell over gateway....sigh
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 155 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 16-May-2003 15:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 151 (Tigger):
"Also the auction is occuring at the old Amiga Inc facility, you have to believe that for a year (but remember they didnt fess up to that for much longer) Amiga has been out of that facility, but their landlord has been letting them keep stuff there without paying rent."

The landlord may well do that, because most of the offices in the block are untenanted. It would pay them to be nice to any tenant so long as there is the slightest chance they will start paying rent again.
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 156 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Wayne Hunt on 16-May-2003 15:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 153 (Ian Shurmer):
Stupid comments?

I don't see that at all. Read the thread... The only people here defending Amiga Inc are the people who refuse to accept the DOCUMENTED FACTS in this situation. They find every reason between "it's not on Amiga.com so it's not true" to "`Fleecy` told me differently and I believe him". "Fleecy" has told me a lot of things -- to my face -- in the past, and I wouldn't trust a single syllable out of his mouth if it came with a million dollar bill. That's just me though, and I don't expect everyone to accept, or to even be able to understand why I feel that way. You're not me. You haven't gone through the shit that the "BillandFleecyCircus" has put me through.

Back to the facts... Amiga Inc is being sued -- or in some cases have been sued successfully -- for around a total of 1/4 MILLION dollars according to COURT DOCUMENTS. They have not paid as required by the court in any of these cases so far. These are facts folks. This is not my imagination, and how I feel about Amiga Inc is irrelevant. All of these DOCUMENTED FACTS present only one single possible conclusion.... Amiga Inc is broke.

If you don't like my opinion (which denotes the aforementioned comments), that's not my problem. When I'm wrong, I'll admit it. I have a documented history of doing so, which is more than I've seen from almost anyone in th community when I've been right in the past.

In my opinion, Amiga Inc is now a non-entity and I cannot honestly say that I feel that's a bad thing. Amiga Inc has done exactly zero, zilch, nada, zip, the big zero for this community or the Amiga platform.

AmigaOne? Eyetech
AmigaOS 4? Hyperion
Amiga DE? Tao.
Community support? None.

That being said, do I feel bad for some of the employees? Absolutely. The facts are well shown however that Amiga Inc and people like "Fleecy" Moss are 100% directly responsible for the current sad state of this community (and therein this market). This is something that I simply cannot forgive.
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 157 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by NihilVor on 16-May-2003 15:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 125 (T_Bone):
I don’t doubt that someone is in line demanding for money from Amiga, and that it doesn’t look good for them—that the next few months are critical. What is confusing, and what seems a little odd, is that the case with the Inception Group was dismissed, in other words Amiga owes them nothing. The information that you have provided is only that data that is recorded when a proceedings is issued, but the public records show that there was a dismissal. So while Amiga may be broke, and they may owe a huge fee, it is not the 20,000 to Inception—as far as I can tell.
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 158 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by NihilVor on 16-May-2003 15:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 156 (Wayne Hunt):
Well, Wayne, if that is all in judgements they are definitely in trouble regardless of the Inception group decision. :0
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 159 of 265ANN.lu
Message removed by Christian Kemp for violation of ANN's posting rules.
Specific reason from moderator: Trolling
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 160 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by tronman on 16-May-2003 15:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (greenboy):
Hahahahahahahaaa! Oh, that's a good one Greenboy!

If I were just an outsider who knew nothing..
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 161 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 16-May-2003 15:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 142 (amigamad):
One more and I'll demand a ban... Of course it's Christian's site but I think
that you postings do nothing but discredit it...
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 162 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 16-May-2003 15:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 157 (NihilVor):
Care to link the URL to show Inception's case was dismissed or found in favor of Amiga Inc?

Dammy
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 163 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Ian Shurmer on 16-May-2003 16:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 156 (Wayne Hunt):
Wayne I'm not saying you're wrong about anything, what I am saying is that I won't make a judgement until I know all the FACTS from BOTH sides of the story, rather than a few facts mixed with a lot of biased opinions.

And the stupid comments, well there's "Fleecy the pied-piper", the fact you always write Fleecy in quotes etc etc. Simply put, I don't take people seriously when they write things like that - I just ignore their comments and move on... although I do understand you are not as offensive/brainless as some of the trolls can be.

Ian
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 164 of 265ANN.lu
In reply to Comment 161 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Message removed by Christian Kemp for violation of ANN's posting rules.
Specific reason from moderator: Trolling
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 165 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 16-May-2003 16:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 162 (dammy):
Dismissal by judge 10/30. Information sent to your email.
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 166 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by AlBolone on 16-May-2003 16:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 156 (Wayne Hunt):
110% agreed & signed!!!
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 167 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Wayne Hunt on 16-May-2003 16:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 163 (Ian Shurmer):
Ian,

"Fleecy" is not his real name. Never has been. He told us the first time that we met him at a show (1997) that his name was Wayne (last name long forgotten).

As such, considering my EARNED, FIRST-HAND distaste for this individual, I find it very interesting as well as irritating that people would follow his word versus documented facts from court cases in the state of Washington. Hence my direct comparison between "Fleecy" and the legendary "pied piper". After all, isn't what he's doing is luring off the kids with his sweet sounds?
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 168 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Ian Shurmer on 16-May-2003 16:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 167 (Wayne Hunt):
@Wayne

'"Fleecy" is not his real name'

Okay, but in that case you would write everybody's nick in quotes as well!

"After all, isn't what he's doing is luring off the kids with his sweet sounds?"

This is, in my opinion, where you seem to be losing your objectivity. You obviously have huge problems with Amiga Inc, which is your business, but do you HONESTLY believe that Fleecy and Bill are crooks merely looking to earn a quick buck? If so, they're really not good at it :-) As far as I can see Fleecy is just trying to make a living, and a lot of problems have affected Amiga Inc (but again, I admit I have no inside knowledge on the facts of this case)

Wayne, I have a great deal of respect and am very grateful for the work you've done over the years - but recently I can see your opinions getting in the way of your objectivity, which is something I've never seen you guilty of in past times. If you have all the information from both sides of the fence on the Bolton Peck issue etc, then I apologise, but be careful, because your words have a lot of impact on the community - you are a well respected member, please don't lose site of that.

Thanks, Ian
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 169 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by MIKE on 16-May-2003 17:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 153 (Ian Shurmer):
Hey, but it was fine with you when Wayne was #1 Amiga Inc. cheerleader? Anyways I'm glad he's joined the side that is grounded in reality, it appears at least some people value their integrity more then being part of the Amiga Inc. team.
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 170 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Mr S on 16-May-2003 17:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 167 (Wayne Hunt):
Wayne Dresing. Fleecy Moss' real name is Wayne Dresing.

http://zdnet.com.com/2100-11-514016.html
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 171 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Wayne Hunt on 16-May-2003 17:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 168 (Ian Shurmer):
Ian,

> Okay, but in that case you would write everybody's nick in quotes as well!

He's not using it as his nick. He's using it as his real name on legal documents which itself is a criminal act.

> but do you HONESTLY believe that Fleecy and Bill are crooks merely looking
> to earn a quick buck?

That's a bit more crude than I would put it, but yes. Absolutely spot on. There are several documentable instances of that from T-shirts to NDA materials that I have had access to in the past.

> If so, they're really not good at it :-)

No one ever said crime was easy. Most criminals end up behind bars for a reason.

> As far as I can see Fleecy is just trying to make a living, and a lot of
> problems have affected Amiga Inc (but again, I admit I have no inside ?
> knowledge on the facts of this case)

Therein lies the problem. You're quite willing to give "Fleecy" the benefit of doubt when you have no other reason not to. I'm not trying in any way to change your mind, but I on the other hand have had over 6 years of being "Fleeced" and other problems with Bill McEwen that I won't even get into.

Like I said, I don't expect anyone to accept or even understand my position, but dealing with them has been a very hard lesson learned. I would LOVE to see Amiga Inc continue, but not under the current "benevolent dictatorship" they call management.

If Amiga Inc has to die to get rid of the cancer, then that is the price that the investors in Amiga Inc are willing to pay and it has nothing whatsoever to do with us.

> Wayne, I have a great deal of respect and am very grateful for the work
> you've done over the years - but recently I can see your opinions getting in
> the way of your objectivity, which is something I've never seen you guilty
> of in past times.

Objectivity has been hoist upon me, and I have tried to live up to it. In most things, I remain that way but I can no longer sit by and inactively watch Amiga Inc's actions and ignorance of the community destroy what I have grown to love.

> If you have all the information from both sides of the fence on the Bolton
> Peck issue etc, then I apologise, but be careful, because your words have a
> lot of impact on the community - you are a well respected member, please
> don't lose site of that.

I'm well aware of my responsibilities to the community. I take them very seriously. For six years, I've sat back and watched Bill McEwen actively (although some would say it's been simply negligent stupidity) work to destroy the Amiga platform and this community.

If I were not absolutely confident of the facts that I know, then you wouldn't be reading this now. Accept my word, don't. It's not about me. It's about the truth. The truth is inescapable.... and it is coming...
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 172 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by MIKE on 16-May-2003 17:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 171 (Wayne Hunt):
Wayne, most who have dealt with them share that opinion, the promises they have made, wanting payments outside of Amiga directly to their pocket (althought with the legal judgements you can see why), the t-shirt fiasco, and still Fleecy is talking about AG2 and all this other nonsense that isn't even being worked on, it's all definitely dishonest, and probably some of it is criminal.
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 173 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by z5 on 16-May-2003 17:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 171 (Wayne Hunt):
@Wayne:
>if I were not absolutely confident of the facts that I know, then you wouldn't >be reading this now. Accept my word, don't. It's not about me. It's about the >truth. The truth is inescapable.... and it is coming...

Why don't you give us the truth then? As you obviously know, what is holding you back? You are actually starting to sound like AmigaInc, promising things coming soon... :)

Let's get this over and done with...the quick way so we can move forward and look at a better future. But keep the OS4 project in mind.
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 174 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Wayne Hunt on 16-May-2003 17:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 173 (z5):
@z5

What you're asking about is pointless. It is now a demonstrated fact that there are those in this community who will not accept any facts, regardless of how well documented and incontrovertible the evidence. As such, what exactly is the impetus for me to unveil information which is publicly available.

Some people are treating this like a religious incident. They must discover the truth for themselves or they will not believe it. Whether or not you believe me is irrelevant. I know what I know. The facts I have are indisputable, now go find your own.
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 175 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by z5 on 16-May-2003 17:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 174 (Wayne Hunt):
@Wayne:

Well, it is you that is claiming that the truth 'will be out soon' (or 'it is coming' to mark your words), not me. So i thought: why not get it out now? You're saying half of it...

But then, i don't even care. All i hope is for OS4 to come out... AmigaInc has never been of any interest to me.
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 176 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by smithy on 16-May-2003 18:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 58 (Ray A. Akey):
>Amiga CEO Bill McEwen will be at AmigaWest

Is he the CEO though? If he is, then where does this bloke from France/Germany/somewhere fit in?
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 177 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Wayne Hunt on 16-May-2003 18:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 175 (z5):
There are;

- Mail fraud (t-shirts, clubs, and coupon scams)
- Documented court cases (ask Rich Woods for information)
- Documented foreclosures by their landlord.

What more could you possibly need or want? The problem is that no one who believes blindly in Amiga Inc can accept that these things exist -- even when they are presented and publicly available, so publishing them only makes me "the bad guy" to those who can't accept the truth or reality.

You believe what you want, I know what I know. The truth will come out, and it is going to bite them in the ass. There's no stopping it, there's no spinning it, and there's no lying about it any more. People are now watching closely and people are learning the truth. That's a great thing.
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 178 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by smithy on 16-May-2003 18:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 111 (Kay):
>Anyway, Fleecy responded to this on the AmigaOne dev-list earlier

How do you know he can talk for Amiga Inc?
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 179 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Ray A. Akey on 16-May-2003 18:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 117 (Wayne Hunt):
..and apparently, you can't read the English language. Do you not know the difference between "used" and "old"?

Try reading it with your specs on this time.
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 180 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by smithy on 16-May-2003 18:39 GMT
Well this looks like we are almost at the beginning of a new era in the Amiga's history. I personally hope the name 'Amiga' and other associated brandnames now end up lost and buried. They have only encouraged the worst kind of fundamentalism and fanatiscm that has been evident here over the past 5 years.

There are still plenty ways forward for Amiga-like systems, hopefully we can now look to what is the content of these new systems are and make decisions based on this, rather than loyalty to brand names, irrespective of what was beneath that brand name.
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 181 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 16-May-2003 18:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 179 (Ray A. Akey):
Oh right... For yet another time, anyone that doesn't believe you is clueless
and can't read... You're becoming a big joke, Ray... You ashame the Heavy Metal name;)
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 182 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by paul_gadd on 16-May-2003 18:41 GMT
Wayne hunt is a troll trying to hurt the good people at Amiga Incorporated with his lies and then he uses this site to recruit people to lie on his behalf to make people stab Amiga in the back.

People please support Amiga Incorporated.
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 183 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 16-May-2003 18:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 182 (paul_gadd):
That's a CERTAIN spoof. Paul Gadd would NEVER post that.
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 184 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by z5 on 16-May-2003 19:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 177 (Wayne Hunt):
@Wayne:

For the record, i never said i didn't believe you...
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 185 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Wayne Hunt on 16-May-2003 19:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 184 (z5):
@Z5,

Thanks for the clarification. When there are so many people out there who're so absolutely willing to disavow evidence and try and turn it around on the messenger, it sometimes gets a little difficult to keep the players apart. Sorry if I mistakenly placed you in the wrong crowd.
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 186 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Paul_Gadd on 16-May-2003 19:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 182 (paul_gadd):
It seems i am the new flavour of the day for spoofing, clown.

So the world may know


@Alkis

Thanks
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 187 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 16-May-2003 19:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 183 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Bet is was some MOS zealot again. Damn those bastards!
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 188 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Vidar Langberget on 16-May-2003 19:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 139 (Nate Downes):
@Nate:

"-- Hire Ed Hepler and Nate Downes to finish up Hombre, switching from
PA-RISC to some other core, such as ARM, SPARC or MIPS. Begin work
with bPlan to include this in the Peg2 as the southbridge as well as
for their STB and Eclipsis. Make money per system sale from chip. "

First of all, the Hombre would look incredibly sad compared to modern graphics chips. Second of all, I believe one of the two chips that made up the Hombre would have to be thrown away if another CPU architecture was used. And the other chip? Playstation class 3D rendering. Good luck trying to sell something like that to the desktop or console markets.

"-- Begin selling the finished Hombre to other vendors (The RiscOS and
Atari mobo makers need an upscaled southbridge too) so you make money
from all sides, chip sales, OS sales, card sales, board sale "

Like someone would be willing to buy such a chip today.

"By this point, you are making money off of other peoples effort.
COngrats, you won."

In your dreams maybe..

Vidar
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 189 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 16-May-2003 19:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 171 (Wayne Hunt):
"He's not using it as his nick. He's using it as his real name on legal documents which itself is a criminal act."

Not in the UK, at least. You can call yourself anything you like so long as there is no deception involved - for example, so long as the home address you give is correct.

How about Greenboy?
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 190 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by MarkTime on 16-May-2003 20:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 179 (Ray A. Akey):
@Ray,

this is used meaning that immediately after you buy something its used.
If I roll a new car off the lot and sell it next week, it has to be sold as used, not new.

Yes, that is the english language. Thanks for clarifying. You would have to be a re-seller of PC equipment to sell PC equipment as 'NEW'. Since this is an auction of equipment that was used necessarily for the day-to-day operations of Amiga, Inc....then of course its 'used.'

What are you a big joke? You are playing word games?
You didn't pay your bills and your landlord locked you out, tell the truth.
The true believers won't care anyway, and the rest of us might start thinking
you've gotten the 'honesty' flue.

It would only help Amiga, Inc. to be truthful at this point.
Lie enough times and even Kay might figure things out.
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 191 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 16-May-2003 20:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 187 (hooligan/dcs):
They only do it to annoy
Because they know it teases
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 192 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 16-May-2003 20:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 188 (Vidar Langberget):
""-- Begin selling the finished Hombre to other vendors (The RiscOS and
Atari mobo makers need an upscaled southbridge too) so you make money
from all sides, chip sales, OS sales, card sales, board sale "

Like someone would be willing to buy such a chip today.

"By this point, you are making money off of other peoples effort.
COngrats, you won."

In your dreams maybe.."

I agree with Vidar.

In the mid 80s, graphics and sound were the bleeding edge of computer technology. Nowadays, this is standard stuff that you buy in from specialist companies, like your plugs and cables.

If you want to do something interesting in custom hardware, look at some other senses besides vision and hearing.
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 193 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by J.L. on 16-May-2003 20:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 167 (Wayne Hunt):
Fleecy Moss = Wayne Dresing

That is what I´ve read a couple of hours ago:

http://zdnet.com.com/2100-11-514016.html

It has to be cald very old news.
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 194 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by coldfire on 16-May-2003 20:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (gary_c):
I think it's good that hyperion have that clause that allows them to go forward with OS4 without amiga inc.

good foresight on someone's part.

coldfire
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 195 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by J.L. on 16-May-2003 20:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 193 (J.L.):
cald?

cald -> called
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 196 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Gregg on 16-May-2003 20:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 193 (J.L.):
"Fleecy Moss = Wayne Dresing"

Refuted years ago*.

Hint : comp.sys.amiga.misc

If you want a little fun :

http://www.flyingmice.com/cgi-bin/squidcgi/mbmessage.pl/amiga/85797.shtml

Gregg

* : Not that one can trust _anything_ Fleecy says, of course...
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 197 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by J.L. on 16-May-2003 21:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 196 (Gregg):
I think you are right here, Gregg. A short check on Google and two other search engines showed only one source for this Wayne Dresing = Fleecy Moss thing: this ZDNET article.
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 198 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Sir Lancelot Du Lac on 16-May-2003 21:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 171 (Wayne Hunt):
> Therein lies the problem. You're quite willing to give
> "Fleecy" the benefit of doubt when you have no other reason not to.

In America, which is where Amiga Inc. is based, you are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, so Fleecy should be given the benefit of doubt.

Also in America, when someone is accused of something, it is up to the accusers to bring the evidence to the judge and jury and show it to them, not tell the judge and jury that the "proof is out there, just go look for it". If Rich Woods is so hell bent on proving Amiga's guilt, he should open his site up to EVERYONE without asking for personal information or financial donations from "the jury". When I sit on a jury for a case in America, the prosecuter is not allowed to ask for donations or my home address, which Rich has done.

The problem with the nay-sayers is they keep trying to PROVE Amiga Inc.'s guilt to the yay-sayers without offering to give up these documents FREELY. Why should I have to go searching for YOUR proof?? I can care-a-less what YOU say about Amiga Inc., eventually they will go bust or they will succeed and when that happens, I will know the "truth". If you want to show me this "truth" before natural selection shows me the "truth" then YOU need to PUT UP, OR SHUT UP.

So far, the only freely available "proof" that has been given by Rich Woods, without asking me for personal information, about the Inception lawsuit are these too links:

http://www.merlancia.us/amigabk/inception1.jpg
http://www.merlancia.us/amigabk/inception2.jpg

Now correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like that case has been dismissed without prejudice. Now IANAL, but if I remember correctly, dismissed cases generally means the plantiffs did not proove their case to the judge and therefore, means that Inception DID NOT WIN their case. However, IIRC, the without prejudice means that if they can gather more evidence to proove their case, they can bring it back to the courts. Now if there is a REAL lawyer out there that want's to verify this or correct me, please do.

So far, it looks like, the only proof that has been shown by the nay-sayers is positive for Amiga Inc. Please show your other "proof" and maybe the yay-sayers will actually listen, otherwise, please go find something that is actually productive to do, (this goes for both sides) after all, when you get down to it, Amiga is only a business and not a religion.

By the way, just to be completely clear: I am neiter a nay-sayer or yay-sayer, I am simply someone who loved his A2000 and am merely interested in seeing if someone, whoever that may be, can bring the Amiga OS back to the market again. That's the only reason I follow the drama anymore.
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 199 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Nate Downes on 16-May-2003 21:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 189 (Don Cox):
What about David Green?
Amiga, Inc. office equipment being sold off? : Comment 200 of 265ANN.lu
Posted by Nate Downes on 16-May-2003 21:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 192 (Don Cox):
You assume I'd use it for graphics.

Take note of a specific segment of my idea: SOUTHBRIDGE. You never
put a primary graphics system into the southbridge. The two chips
Vidar says would need to be removed (actually only 1.5 chips) are the
video system... which is no longer needed. What is needed is a
top-notch self-controlling southbridge. This is what Hombre, even
now, can provide. (would need USB and Firewire added, possibly
Ethernet as well)

Hombre was designed using a hardware description language. As such,
you can cut it apart, and re-use major sections even while removing
the original integer unit. SPARC is an ideal replacement then, as the
SPARC and PA-RISC utilize very similar co-processor control segments
(allowing one to augment their instruction set) so one could retain
the new SIMD segments of Hombre with minor changes to the interface
logic and replacement of the register files with a new, compatable,
register setup. (Admittedly, not the easiest thing in the world, but
not impossible either)

Since 3D gfx is no longer a major concern, focus on the I/O and audio
segments of the design, which were pretty much done already (taken
from AAA) but had not been tested. Speeds up time to market
dramatically and still offers something useful today.

I am no fool to think Hombre could hold a candle to a Radeon 9800Pro.
So, if you can't beat em, join em, and use an AGP card while pushing
the rest of the design.
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