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Posted on 11-Jan-2004 14:28 GMT by Lukas Stehlik356 comments
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The best Amiga ever - Pegasos II G4 1GHz!
See the benchmark results on AmiGOD2 benchmark page.
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 151 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by DoomMaster on 12-Jan-2004 18:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 150 (Lando):
You people call me a fanatic! You blue trolls and your "Amiga is a Feeling" garbage make me sick.

_DoomMaster_
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 152 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by itix on 12-Jan-2004 18:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 121 (samface):
If the webpage said "the fastest Amiga-branded computer" then Pegasos would not belong there. Nitpicking ;)
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 153 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 12-Jan-2004 18:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 150 (Lando):
> Just let the kid live in his fantasy world and move on...

So, the things I've said, such as the fact that the Amiga is a computer trademark rather than a religion or a philosophy of life is just one of my fantasies, while statements that the Pegasos would be the best Amiga ever is what you would call the reality? LOL!
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 154 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by graviel slate on 12-Jan-2004 18:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 151 (DoomMaster):
Is the "amiga feeling" the same type of feeling you get when you're kicked in the groin?
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 155 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 12-Jan-2004 18:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 137 (samface):
You still don't get it... We grew up with Amigas, out computer experience will
ALWAYS be compared to the Amiga experience. I've been using Amigas for 12 years,
if something is as close to the original experience as the Pegasos/MorphOS
combo,
I will call it my Amiga. I'm not saying that it IS one.
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 156 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 12-Jan-2004 19:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 148 (BrianK):
WinUAE is an emulation product that runs a dead (in development terms) OS.
MorphOS and AmigaOS4 are OSes that are in active development for quite some time
now. THAT'S the fundemental difference.
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 157 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 12-Jan-2004 19:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 152 (itix):
The Pegasos would only belong there if, and only if, we would be talking about computers capable of running AmigaOS3.x applications.

To be nitpicking even further. :-P
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 158 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by Eva on 12-Jan-2004 19:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 157 (samface):
Thx that you tell that Pegasos is the best AMiga computer ... because it run Amiga applications better of ANY AMIGA (including Aone that is UNCAPABLE actually to run nothing a part LINUX).
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 159 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by itix on 12-Jan-2004 19:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 148 (BrianK):
AmigaOS 3 is abandonware.
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 160 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by Olegil on 12-Jan-2004 19:17 GMT
For heavens sakes, stop feeding the trolls.

Do you people NEVER learn?
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 161 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 12-Jan-2004 19:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 158 (Eva):
Eva, don't ruin the converation. Yes, the Pegasos can run Amiga applications
extremely good, yes, it DOES feel like an Amiga but no, it is NOT a real one.
Nothing except the classic Amigas are real Amigas.
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 162 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by graviel slate on 12-Jan-2004 19:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 159 (itix):
Abandonware is a myth.
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 163 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 12-Jan-2004 19:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 158 (Eva):
>Thx that you tell that Pegasos is the best AMiga computer ...

While I know that Eva is just a troll, I simply can't help myself from clarifying one thing:

The Amiga is the best Amiga computer, the Pegasos is the best Pegasos computer, and a PC is the best computer for running AmigaOS3.x applications. These are the facts of life, get over it people.

>because it run
>Amiga applications better of ANY AMIGA (including Aone that is UNCAPABLE
>actually to run nothing a part LINUX).

You don't buy a new computer with a new OS just because you want to be able to run legacy applications. The AmigaOne's main feature is that it is the official AmigaOS4 platform and buying a Pegasos is not an option if AmigaOS4 is what you want.
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 164 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by graviel slate on 12-Jan-2004 19:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 158 (Eva):
Parse error.
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 165 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by BrianK on 12-Jan-2004 19:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 159 (itix):
Abandonware? You mean you can't buy it any longer?
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 166 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 12-Jan-2004 19:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 159 (itix):
Discontinued product != abandonware
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 167 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 12-Jan-2004 19:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 166 (samface):
Am I an "abandonware" fanatic now? ;-)
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 168 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by hammer on 12-Jan-2004 19:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 127 (Matt Parsons):
Note that MorphOS/AROS is not the first OS to 'clean copy' an original OS i.e. Linux/WINE/WINE-X** (for MS Windows), Executor (for Apple’s MacOS) and Linux/GNU for *nix. None of the clone OSes was labelled as the original label.

**E.g. Lindows (with Trans_Gaming, MONO and Crossover Office).
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 169 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by BrianK on 12-Jan-2004 19:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 159 (itix):
Abandonware according to the Abandonware webring is..
1) More then 4 years old
2) Not being sold or supported by the producer or any other company.

If this is the critia AmigaOS does not fit it.
1) 09. December 2000:
Sales of OS 3.9 started
Sales of Amiga OS 3.9 started on the first day of this years WOA 2000 in Germany -- From Amiga website. Thus, we still have 11 more months before the 4 year point is hit.

2) AmigaOS is still being sold by SoftwareHut and by Cloanto, under license from Amiga.

Thus, unless you have another definition, AmigaOS 3.x is NOT abandonware. Even if it was Software Copywright in the US runs for 95 years for a corporate entity. Which means copying is illegal still.
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 170 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by hammer on 12-Jan-2004 19:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 132 (Christophe Decanini):
OS/2 Warp** introduces its own 32bit path (OS/2 path) while retaining the Win16/DOS legacy. Meanwhile ‘MS Windows’ path introduces its own 32bit path while retaining the Win16/DOS legacy. OS/2 was never labelled as 'MS Windows'.
This is also true for the opposite side i.e. Windows NT has old OS/2 1.x legacy and ‘MS Windows’ was never labelled as ‘OS/2 Warp’.

**OS/2 Warp now runs Win32 applications via Odin (treats Win32 apps as native OS/2 app) add-on, but the platform is still labelled as OS/2 Warp.
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 171 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by itix on 12-Jan-2004 19:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 165 (BrianK):
OS3 is no longer developed, no longer maintained, no longer updated and H&P dumped Amiga. There is no company supporting OS3 series of AmigaOS.
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 172 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by brotheris on 12-Jan-2004 19:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 148 (BrianK):
AmigaOS3.9 was last for classic hardware. WinUAE is amigahw emulator, it gets updates, but what is inside (it is what you use) won't get any updates. It is dead.
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 173 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by Nate Downes on 12-Jan-2004 20:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 170 (hammer):
Yes, and OS/2 Warp has also been called a better Windows than Windows.
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 174 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by itix on 12-Jan-2004 20:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 169 (BrianK):
> 1) More then 4 years old>> ) 09. December 2000: Ok. You are right. However H&P has stopped working on it. > 2) Not being sold or supported by the producer or any other company.> > 2) AmigaOS is still being sold by SoftwareHut and by Cloanto, under license from Amiga. Also Great Giana Sisters is sold by Software Hut :-) Great game (and nasty Mario clone btw!) but I doubt you get any software support from the publisher.. :) Amiga Forever Plus Pack includes Kickstart ROMs 1.0, 1.1 and 1.2 too.
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 175 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by hammer on 12-Jan-2004 20:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 132 (Christophe Decanini):
What about running 68K Quake I/QuakeII software render benchmarks?
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 176 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 12-Jan-2004 20:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 175 (hammer):
You misread my post twice.

-1- I did not pretend MorphOS should be called AmigaOS not Pegasos should be called Amiga (For me the Amiga is the classic Amiga range)

-2- I did not pretend that for 68k emulation the Pegasos was faster in all the cases.

What I said is that:

- MorphOS is not an emulator, MorphOS evolves.
- The Peg1 G4 is the fastest Amiga compatable system (when running native apps which MorphOS user do very often)

As for Quake benchmarking I do not care about emulating Quake 1 as Quake 2 is running at over 30 fps in 1280*1024 with my Peg1 G3 600.
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 177 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 12-Jan-2004 20:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 155 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Repeating your subjective point of view is not going to make it a fact, nor change the fact that the statement in this news article was inappropriate at the least and erranous at the most.
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 178 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 12-Jan-2004 20:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 104 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
So, Alkis, is it OK if I say "My new AmigaOne is the fastest Pegasos yet" ?
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 179 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 12-Jan-2004 20:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 110 (samface):
Hey Sam!
My new WindowsXP PC with AMD 64bit is the fastest Mac ever! ;-)
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 180 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by hammer on 12-Jan-2004 21:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 132 (Christophe Decanini):
>With MorphOS the AmigaOS 3.1 API gets bug fixed, extended, new features.

Action such as that will present a ‘MorphOS’ path i.e. a split from ‘AmigaOS’ path. Such divisions is more akin to OS/2(X86)**, Windows(X86)** and Linux(X86)/WINE/MONO multi-path divisions.

**Time period during the initial Win16/DOS to 32bit migration.

(Back to PegyII HW) Btw; I recall there an OS/2 Warp PowerPC edition (i.e. "OS/2 Warp Connect, PowerPC Edition")? Any future plans to use this desktop OS on your HW platform?

Reference and notes;
http://pages.prodigy.net/michaln/history/os2warp/
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 181 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by BrianK on 12-Jan-2004 21:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 174 (itix):
So under this concept why call it Abandonware? You have to buy it and use it as normal software the copywrights haven't expired. What does calling it Abandoware gain you?
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 182 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by DoomMaster on 12-Jan-2004 21:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 178 (Anonymous):
My toilet is the fastest Pegosuse yet. It can flush my memory "dumps" quicker atleast! Of course an outhouse may be even more quicker as there is no flushing required... only dumping... and a few squishy plop sounds as well!

Har Har Har!!

_DoomMaster_
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 183 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by Jupp3 on 12-Jan-2004 21:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 157 (samface):
>The Pegasos would only belong there if, and only if, we would be talking about computers capable of running AmigaOS3.x applications.

0x0-only equipped Classic Amigas (without PPC upgrade, if it is even possible) will NEVER be able to run AmigaOS 4 native software (and neither MorphOS software) but I will still keep on calling them "Amigas", no matter what
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 184 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by Jupp3 on 12-Jan-2004 21:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 178 (Anonymous):
>So, Alkis, is it OK if I say "My new AmigaOne is the fastest Pegasos yet" ?

I guess that according to "freedom of speech" you are.

And while we are at it, how about some benchmarks about your machine vs G4 Pegasos-2?
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 185 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by ABM$ on 12-Jan-2004 21:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 61 (Andy):
Micro$oft has probably made something that did something that
I wanted to do, but I have avoided their products strictly on
principle (for me, jury is still out on Peg/MOS, however:)
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 186 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 12-Jan-2004 21:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 176 (Christophe Decanini):
>- The Peg1 G4 is the fastest Amiga compatable system (when running native
>apps which MorphOS user do very often)

Ouch! Do I really need to point out the flaw in this reasoning? Well, in case you don't see it; the fact that it is capable of running AmigaOS3.x applications and that it is the fastest system when running MorphOS native applications does NOT make it the fastest system for running Amiga applications. First of all, a PC with Amithlon, WinUAE or AmigaForever runs Amiga applications faster than MorphOS. Second of all, the ability to run AmigaOS3.x applications does not make it an Amiga compatible. In order to be Amiga compatible, it would have to be compatible with the original Amiga, as in capable of running Amiga branded software and/or beeing able to be executed on Amiga branded hardware. While MorphOS could be successfully argued to be compatible with software intended to interoperate with the original AmigaOS, it's still not compatible with Amiga hardware, nor is the Pegasos capable of running any Amiga branded software (ie AmigaOS) natively.

I know, MorphOS was released in it's early days for the classic Amiga hardware which could be an argument for MorphOS as an Amiga compatible product. However, that version required a third party hardware add-on, including an alien processor, in order to function. I could even go as far as saying that MorphOS was actually running on that third party hardware rather than the Amiga hardware, which would make that version of MorphOS Phase5 PowerUP accelerator board compatible rather than Amiga compatible.
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 187 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 12-Jan-2004 21:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 178 (Anonymous):
It would rule but the Pegasos isn't so well spread to use it as a standard yet,
but if it pleases you, nobody will damn you... Provided that the statement is
true, of course.
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 188 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by hammer on 12-Jan-2004 21:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 176 (Christophe Decanini):
>MorphOS is not an emulator, MorphOS evolves.

I recall, it has an integrated JIT-68K emulator. Your solution is similar to SoftWindows 95 i.e. PowerPC/MacOS native Windows 95 (recompiled from MS licensed Windows 95 source code) with JIT-X86 emulator. It’s a pretty good virtual machine for running Win32 apps on the MacOS PPC.

PS; Already know that MorphOS is not a classic machine emulator.

>The Peg1 G4 is the fastest Amiga compatable system (when running native apps
>which MorphOS user do very often)

Are you equating MorphOS native apps as Amiga applications? Note that there are ported Amiga apps running on Windows/Linux/MacOS btw (e.g. LightWave, Pagestream, Cinema 4D, Imagine 3D and ‘etc’).
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 189 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 12-Jan-2004 21:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 177 (samface):
We're really in different wavelengths... I'm saying that anyone can call anything he owns any name he wants, if it makes sense to him but NOT for
commercial reasons... I already said that this will NOT make the Pegasos
an Amiga but you keep repeating the same bullshit all over again!
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 190 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 12-Jan-2004 21:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 186 (samface):
You really mix up Operating Systems and Application software here...
Other than that, you keep saying that the Pegasos is not an Amiga...
Read my lips: *WE KNOW IT!* *NOBODY* claimed otherwise (except Eva of course).
A bunch of users comparing it to their Amigas and calling it one, won't make
turn it into an Amiga.

Ah, BTW, the Amiga people keep talking about here is a MACHINE, *NOT* a trademark... :-) Amiga Inc can call their toilets Amiga, most people here
(excluding you of course) will NOT start buying these toilets.
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 191 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 12-Jan-2004 21:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 188 (hammer):
Well, he did a mistake here, calling MorphOS native Apps Amiga apps
but it is a controversial matter, since they CAN be Amiga apps (ie. when using
the AmigaOS 3.1 API without the MorphOS extensions) compiled for the PPC processor
line in the ELF format.
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 192 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by hammer on 12-Jan-2004 21:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 176 (Christophe Decanini):
> (For me the Amiga is the classic Amiga range)

IF one applies that logic to 'MS Windows 3.1', then are you claiming 'MS Windows 95' doesn’t equal 'MS Windows'?

>As for Quake benchmarking I do not care about emulating Quake 1 as Quake 2 is
>running at over 30 fps in 1280*1024 with my Peg1 G3 600.

Is there an AmigaOS 68K version of Quake II?
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 193 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 12-Jan-2004 21:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 71 (samface):
> ...and then people call *me* a "blind follower of the name". :-/

So you really don't understand, do you? Indeed, it's you who's so attached to the name that can't stand its usage in other contexts as well! For someone, "Amiga" means _the way_ AmigaOS feels/looks/works, and thus everything that does the same, or better, is "Amiga".

In this context, Amiga is a concept, not a brand. Understood?
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 194 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 12-Jan-2004 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 188 (hammer):
"Are you equating MorphOS native apps as Amiga applications? "

When the same application has a 68k version has been created by Amiga developers I call it an Amiga application.
When applications were out for powerup and warpup I also called them Amiga applications.
If one of this application is released for AROS I still call it Amiga application.
If the application needs a single recompile, even with a few changes I still call it an Amiga application.
For me Voyager, ImageFX, FXpaint, Frogger ... are Amiga applications.
Now if you want to call them MorphOS applications it is not a problem for me.
What counts for me is to run these and their newer version with an updated OS on a fast hardware.
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 195 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 12-Jan-2004 22:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 192 (hammer):
IF one applies that logic to 'MS Windows 3.1', then are you claiming 'MS Windows 95' doesn’t equal 'MS Windows'?
--
(Having some fun, I'm NOT serious)

From a mathematical point of view, it's actually true...
The statement 'MS Windows 95' = 'MS Windows' (1) is false, because if we assume that it's true, we also get:
'MS Windows 3.1' = 'MS Windows' (2)
'MS Windows 2000 Professional' = 'MS Windows' (3)

That of course leads us to a false statement:

(1),(2),(3)=> 'MS Windows 3.1' = 'MS Windows 95' = 'MS Windows 2000 Professional' = 'MS Windows'
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 196 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 12-Jan-2004 22:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 192 (hammer):
>> (For me the Amiga is the classic Amiga range)

>IF one applies that logic to 'MS Windows 3.1', then are you claiming 'MS Windows 95' doesn’t >equal 'MS Windows'?
You get it wrong once more.
I'm speaking about the hardware, not the software. OS4 will be AmigaOS for me.
The Amiga is for me the classic with the custom chips etc.
For me neither the Pegasos nor the Amigaone are Amiga.

>>As for Quake benchmarking I do not care about emulating Quake 1 as Quake 2 is
>>running at over 30 fps in 1280*1024 with my Peg1 G3 600.

>Is there an AmigaOS 68K version of Quake II?
Maybe, but what's the point when you can have the native version ?
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 197 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by DoomMaster on 12-Jan-2004 22:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 196 (Christophe Decanini):
Since Amiga Inc. owns the stolen IP the Morpfus OS guys used I guess it technically is an "Amiga" product!!
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 198 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 12-Jan-2004 22:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 197 (DoomMaster):
Prove your claim or simply shut up...
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 199 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by hammer on 12-Jan-2004 22:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 191 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
>Well, he did a mistake here, calling MorphOS native Apps Amiga apps
>but it is a controversial matter,

Well, the said person has a close relationship with Genesi. I can understand their POV.

> since they CAN be Amiga apps (ie. when using the AmigaOS 3.1 API without the
> MorphOS extensions) compiled for the PPC processor line in the ELF format.

With Cygnus add-on, one could compile GNU source codes on Windows platform. The resulting executable and object files would be a native Windows application. It works on both ways i.e. some developers uses some WINE code to support their own products e.g. Corel Office for Linux(recalling).

Borland has IDE products that can re-compile a Borland Windows source code as a Linux distro application.
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 200 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by BrianK on 12-Jan-2004 22:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 186 (samface):
Samface Wrote -
'While MorphOS could be successfully argued to be compatible with software intended to interoperate with the original AmigaOS, it's still not compatible with Amiga hardware, nor is the Pegasos capable of running any Amiga branded software (ie AmigaOS) natively.
'

AmigaOne could be successfully argued to be compatible with software intended to interoperate with the original AmigaOS, it's still not compatible with Amiga hardware, nor is the AmigaOne capable of running any Amiga branded software (ie AmigaOS) natively. -- AOS3.9 runs in a Linux emulation on the AmigaOne and the AmigaOne cannot run any currently sold AmigaOS natively.
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