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[News] "No deal, no settlement" says AmigaANN.lu
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Amiga Inc. officially denies existence of AmigaDE deal with Thendic/Genesi. http://www.amiga.com/corporate/082003-mcewen.shtml The recent "news" by Genesi that a deal or settlement was reached in the ongoing lawsuit between Thendic/Genesi and Amiga Inc. is officially denied by Bill McEwen. There is no deal to port AmigaDE nor AmigaOS 4.0 to the Pegasos.
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 251 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Aug-2003 13:20 GMT
Why is this offtopik MOS feature stuff in this thread and not in it's own thread ?
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 252 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by Gregg on 22-Aug-2003 13:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 158 (BrianK):
> Part of being a corporate leader is being able to sell your vision and story.
> So, perhaps Amiga is getting a company to fund their legal case for a share
> of the profits OR such.

It'll be a good "sell"...

Scenario :

"See, Mr. Money-Bags, we have this product called AmigaAnywhere that will support any application as a single set of source code running on any platform..."

"Intriguing; so what can we help you with?"

"Well, right now we need funding to fight a company that wants to use it on their platform..."

"Uh... that's this AmigaAnywhere thing, right?"

"Yuh..."

"That runs on any platform..."

"Right."

"And you want to _not_ run it on these guys' platform, right?"

"Yeah, but..."

"Interesting... Look, we'll have to get back to you on that one, Mr. McGowan; we'll, y'know, _we'll_ call _you_...".


Gregg
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 253 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 22-Aug-2003 13:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 252 (Gregg):
Maybe the whole deal relates to the cost of porting it, i mean i don't think they *don't want* the DE on the PEG, i just assume that there are issue's to wich they object/want changed/need more cash/whatever.

The original deal was for a WinCE enabled machine, WinCE eg is quite different to MOS.

All this speculation is pointless tho

Cheers
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Posted by hooligan/dcs on 22-Aug-2003 13:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 248 (Amon_Re):
True, but I was mentioning things I would like to see in MorphOS itself.

@Don Cox
If I have installed some software which lies in WBStartup, and it hangs so I can't get into Ambient == boot MOS cd and remove it that way.

If I could skip WBStartUp, say, with RMB, I could boot normally to Ambient, delete/move it and save some time.
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 255 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by AnythingButBM$ on 22-Aug-2003 14:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 253 (Amon_Re):
I suspect that something I read on AO is closer to the truth. It may be more about BB trying to drive a litigious stake through the heart of a sort of "undead" company that inconveniently happens to own the rights to a trademark he claims not to covet (yet has made attempts to aquire rights to said trademark, anyway).

It may still really be all about who gets to slap the word "Amiga" or "Powered by Amiga" on the devices they hope to sell.

For a cult that is all about a name, there still seems to be at least 2 copanies that think it is worth fighting for. Interesting, is it not?
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 256 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 22-Aug-2003 16:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 253 (Amon_Re):
> The original deal was for a WinCE enabled machine, WinCE eg is quite different > to MOS.

That's not how the contract read.

Dammy
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 257 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 22-Aug-2003 16:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 256 (dammy):
Maybe not, i haven't got said contract, but someone (BBRV iirv) did say the original contract was for the smartboy(?) with WinCE.

As i said, it's pointless speculation, but it could be part of the issue.

Regardless of *what* is the problem, it's not settled yet, so this whole discussion is pointless anyway

Cheers
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Posted by dammy on 22-Aug-2003 18:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 257 (Amon_Re):
> Maybe not, i haven't got said contract, but someone (BBRV iirv) did say the
> original contract was for the smartboy(?) with WinCE.

Yes it was, as well as other devices that were listed as well as future devices that were not named. WinCE was not specifically labeled as a requirement for all current and future devices for DEad to operate on.

Dammy

AROS - No Schedule and Rocking!
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Posted by Phill on 22-Aug-2003 19:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 242 (Kronos):
>The onboard controller would also only allow
>dos-format, and would force the introducion of some dubiuos legacy-ISA
>crap into the kernel. The controller sits in the SB, which is a part
>from x86-world, and therefore the controller acts just like one found
>in a 1984 IBM-AT ...

That doesn't sound like a good design, having to add device drivers into the kernel. The PC floppy controller might not be as flexible as the Amiga one, but really I wouldn't bother with using anything other than dos format floppies now anyway ( although I'm more likely to burn a cd... ).

Phill
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 260 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 22-Aug-2003 20:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 259 (Phill):
The device drivers are not in the kernel. BUT. The drivers available now are
all PCI or AGP. To make an ISA driver you need to privide the framework in the
HAL afaik. The floppy controller still has ISA leftovers.
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 261 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 22-Aug-2003 20:42 GMT
Ben Hermans wrote:
> I find it amusing that only MorphOS affiliated people have such
> issues with our games.

Really? Well, it's good to see that you're releasing bugfixes just for
us, then.

But I'm getting a little worried about the bugtesting of OS4, if only
MorphOS people are able to find your bugs..
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 262 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by BrianK on 22-Aug-2003 21:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 239 (Amon_Re):
You're asking me to detail issues with an OS still in public Beta?

I'll be glad to detail the issues within Beta software. Where should I send my consulting contract?
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Posted by Amon_Re on 23-Aug-2003 00:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 207 (Anonymous):
> I guess MorphOS can reach the places other OSes cant?

I see another vote for MorphOS an an embedded OS!
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 264 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 23-Aug-2003 07:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 263 (Amon_Re):
@216.40.249.58

Listen buddy, if you want to pretend being me, here are afew hints:

1: Move to Belgium, your IP is way out of where i am.
2: My phrases don't sound like yours, seems my english is slighty better then yours
3: I would never post anything like that anyway, i don't care where MOS is
installed or on what

But don't worry, i emailed Christian to set a password on my nick, so enjoy your last moments of stupidity

Cheers
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Posted by bbrv on 23-Aug-2003 09:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 264 (Amon_Re):
Quick word about Amiga:

1. The Pegasos WILL have AmigaDE available as an option.
2. 3.9 WILL be offered as an option as long as our supplies last.
3. We would be happy to include OS4.0 one day in the list of available operating systems.

Have a great day!

R&B
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 266 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Aug-2003 10:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 256 (dammy):
Thats exactly how the contract read.
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Posted by DaveP on 23-Aug-2003 10:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 266 (Anonymous):
Hes just pissing in the wind as usual, if there is any doubt over that we have plenty of quotes from Bill Buck that Randy will believe.
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Posted by Amon_Re on 23-Aug-2003 11:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 267 (DaveP):
Actually, i based myself on something BBRV himself posted, so if it's false, then Dammy would be accusing him of lying.

But i guess that we'll never know, unless the contract would be posted to the public (not a wise businnesscall i think)

Cheers
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Posted by Darrin on 23-Aug-2003 12:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 265 (bbrv):
@BBRV:

>> 1. The Pegasos WILL have AmigaDE available as an option.

You've already bribed the judge??? ;-)

>> 2. 3.9 WILL be offered as an option as long as our supplies last.

I'm sure there's nothing illegal in selling an OS3.9 CD along with a Pegasos, just like you can go to the grocers and put a bag of apples in your shopping basket next to the bananas. The question is, can you pre-install OS3.9 on the Pegasos before you sell it?

>> 3. We would be happy to include OS4.0 one day in the list of available operating systems.

In that case you should go and sign the Amiga Inc contract with a smile on your face :-)
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Posted by dammy on 23-Aug-2003 12:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 266 (Anonymous):
> Thats exactly how the contract read.

You better reread that contract again without your bias. There is nothing declared as a desciption of the "future" devices, it's left hanging wide open.

Now who in Germany would have to post as anon on this?

Dammy
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Posted by dammy on 23-Aug-2003 12:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 267 (DaveP):
> Hes just pissing in the wind as usual, if there is any doubt over that we have > plenty of quotes from Bill Buck that Randy will believe.

Oh, I should have known my 2nd favorite Red Troll would pop up. So Mr. Superduper Genius who graces the OS4 Team with Elite Beta Testing skills, tell me where in the contract does it label those future devices as WinCE only? Hrm? If it did, wouldn't Amiga Inc be fighting this tooth and nail and would go to court to have the contract voided?

Didn't McEwen promise us that OS4 would be out in 2001? Sounds like the beta testers should get their ass in gear instead of wasting time trolling on ANN.

Dammy

AROS - No Schedule and Rocking!
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 272 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by dslcc on 23-Aug-2003 13:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 187 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
It's the anti-piracy don't run AOS4 on phase5 hardware dongle. Not a bug.
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Posted by 3seas on 23-Aug-2003 14:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 258 (dammy):
"AROS - No Schedule and Rocking!"

We don't need no stinkin schedule....

heheh - we'll get there when we get there.

don't forget who won the turtle and wabbit wace.

Tricks are for kids....
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 274 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by Nate Downes on 23-Aug-2003 23:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 269 (Darrin):
What AInc contract? You seem to fail to grasp the difference between licensing an OS and providing the material for an OS to be ported. Please correct this viewpoint before continuing, thanks.
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Posted by BrianK on 24-Aug-2003 00:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 274 (Nate Downes):
You seem to fail to grasp the difference between licensing an OS and providing the material for an OS to be ported.
-----

You lost me there. There is a difference between licensing the OS and providing material for an OS to be ported.

Licensing an OS is generally the EULA between the end user and vendor, however, there's almost never anything to sign. At best my experience with OSes from an end and administrative user was clicking some okay boxes.

Providing material for an OS to be ported it typically after contract talks and negoiations between 2 parties. When they agree on terms both parities sign the contracts. This is what would happen if Amiga and whomever would do the porting for AmigaOS4 to the PegasOS system. There would be a contract to sign by both parties. Once contract was signed providing the materials, source code, etc. would be provided to the party who was doing the conversion.
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 276 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by Nate Downes on 24-Aug-2003 00:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 275 (BrianK):
Then you obviously have never ported an OS.

Genesi has no contracts with the OS's being ported to the Pegasos save 1 that I am aware of. It just is not done.

And the arguement that "it's just for open-source projects" is bs when you consider that QNX is being ported to the Pegasos. No license, no contract, nothing.
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Posted by Anonymous on 24-Aug-2003 03:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 275 (BrianK):
> Providing material for an OS to be ported it typically after contract talks and negoiations ... blahblah ... agree on terms ... a contract to sign by both parties. blahblah


Bollocks. Where do you come up with things like this? If a software vendor -- who does NOT have any hardware of his own, nor controls nor provides planning/design/manufacturing of any hardware -- wants his proprietary closed-source OS on more (or ANY for that matter) hardware, he can't rely on anybody other than himself to get it ported and sell it.

Especially if it's not a very commercially attractive OS, just like AmigaOS/MorphOS/whatever-other-little-niche-thing.

Sitting waiting for hardware vendors to come and pay for a useless trademark license, provide a hardware-license verification mechanism (fondly referred to as "anti piracy protection" by some) for the sw company, provide end-user support for the OS, let the sw company gain insight into the hw company's financial details, all for the pretty pathetic "benefit" of selling that OS bundled with THEIR OWN hardware on a tiny separate market...

Yeah, such an OS is destined for success... Not.

But as long as a 4th party computer vendor gets a puny little monopoly on flogging a 3rd party's hardware at twice its price, I suppose all is good, right? We OS customers for some odd reason need to "support" this irrelevant computer vendor and his monopoly, and see the OS condemned to be an unattractive curiosity, 'cause he used to sell Amigas dagnabbit, or something. It's sick.
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Posted by Anonymous on 24-Aug-2003 06:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Pete):
>What the law states is that if a product is purchased legally,


yep. but when you get a Pegasos, are you buying a copy of AmigaOS to get
those components of it that are essential for it to run MorphOS - ie
the various libraries and utilities that still havent been rewritten?
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 279 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 24-Aug-2003 07:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 278 (Anonymous):
The only things that you might need are the Amigaguide lib/datatype and AREXX.
Replacements for the first can be found on AmiNet, the second is being replaced
and Amiga Inc doesn't even own it.
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 280 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by BrianK on 24-Aug-2003 13:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 276 (Nate Downes):
You're right I've never ported an OS? How many have you done?

I've been part of teams to port other software. For example, the project I was most familiar with the process was to port some Warehouse Distribution software from a DG AOS/VS system to an IBM AIX system. In this software process before any source code was released there was a contract signed by both parties concerning use of the code and sales of the software. What happened here is we ported the code for them but they retained the rights and sold the code. We in turn were paid for our efforts up front and retained a small stipend from each sale.

Being part of ports of projects your description is a bit confusing to me. It sounds like you believe that companies X come to company Y and say 'I want to port your product' and company Y says no problem here's the source have a nice day? It may be that way with Open Source. However, with commercial products I've rarely found that the way.
Questions to be answered are usually who retains right to the code, typically Company Y, or in this case Amiga. Who can sell the code, I'd think Genesi would want to be able to do this. How do the financial aspects of the code work? How is Amiga paid for their source and Genesi paid for their efforts.

If I was in Amiga Inc's shoes I'd first ship the product, AmigaOS4, for AmigaOne. Really Amiga Inc is showcasing a product but don't appear to be at a point where AmigaOS4 can ship to us yet. But, I think it'd be a bad pratice to let anyone port an OS that itself it's close to a shipping version.
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Posted by Anonymous on 24-Aug-2003 13:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 277 (Anonymous):
Yeah, such an OS is destined for success... Not.
----

You're right Apple appears to have the sort of product line and market as you describe. They sell more Apple computers each year but are still a minor part of the desktop marketshare.
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Posted by BrianK on 24-Aug-2003 13:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 276 (Nate Downes):
And the arguement that "it's just for open-source projects" is bs when you consider that QNX is being ported to the Pegasos. No license, no contract, nothing.

-----
I assume the QNX team is doing the port. Amiga Inc. would have to find a team to do the AmigaOS4 port as they don't have a team but are using Hyperion to do the programming.

But, really notice the other ports. QNX works, Linux works, AmigaOS4 -- partially working at best. So, once AmigaOS4 works on the AmigaOne perhaps Amiga will reconsider. Right now with the problems between Genesi and Amiga I doubt it.
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 283 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by Nate Downes on 24-Aug-2003 14:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 280 (BrianK):
2 and a half, actually, but that's neither here nor there.

You're mistaking business models here. Genesi is not porting any OS's to the Pegasos itself (other than MorphOS) so your example is moot. Genesi just provides the hardware w/ specs and says "Have fun." No special treatment, no custom deals, nothing. The only "custom deal" is with MorphOS. That means that these OS guys, once their OS is on the Pegasos, can package up Pegasos boards w/ their OS and make some money, or just enjoy the cool factor.

Think for a moment, why would a multi-million dollar, international corporation like QNX do this port gratis?

Because the Pegasos runs PowerPC, and until now there were no other PPC makers that were willing to allow QNX to port to their platform. As several of QNX's business partners happen to use PPC in their embedded solutions, QNX can now go to them and say "hey, rather than doing that whole 'write on PC, port to your PPC embedded, debug, report-back, fix' thing, you can now develop *ON* a PowerPC machine, which will speed up the test/debug cycle, and help your bottom line." It's a win-win situation.

Now, let us discuss AOS4 here for a comparison. Hyperion will be making money on unit sales. As of right now, that is for just 2 platforms. A smart company would want their software to run on as many machines as possible. While the Pegasos 1 is a dead end, the Pegasos 2 is being planned for unit sales in the thousands of boards. Sounds like a good way for Hyperion to make some easy money, since once the port to the A1 is done, it would not be much more effort. Change the nb/sb drivers, maybe a few other minor bits, but for the most part, not much effort at all. Heck, a Linux geek can do the same thing in a week. More units AOS4 can ship to, the more money Hyperion makes. The more money Hyperion makes, the more it can continue to develop.

It's the same thing that appeals to the other OS's, more potential installs. When we're dealing with such tiny markets, even 500 more units out there is the difference between suceeding and failure.

This is how I feel about the whole thing. Hyperion is locked-in, limited in scope. It can only run on the A1 and A4000. What if Mai goes under? The A1 is history, and Hyperion is dead as well, as there are no new A4000's. *grumble gumble* Now, let's vary this a bit, Hyperion adds the Pegasos. Now it has 2 brand-new hardware solutions to run on. It just doubled it's odds against one of them going under.

It's the best business sence. And if Hyperion doesn't want to do the porting itself, someone else could volunteer to do the porting, and Genesi would be more than happy to provide that person or team with the machines necessary to do the port. After all, the more OS's run on Genesi's machine, the more sales Genesi has, so it is in their best interest to get as many OS's running as possible.

Does this make sence to you?
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Posted by Nate Downes on 24-Aug-2003 14:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 282 (BrianK):
Nobody is suggesting that Hyperion ports it at this point, only offering them the material necessary to do the port once AOS4 is ready. (that is, on the A1)

As for the bad blood between Amiga and Genesi, I cannot comment.
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Posted by BrianK on 24-Aug-2003 15:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 283 (Nate Downes):
Perfectly...

My points.
1) Hyperion isn't done with the OS. Thus, there are things to port but not the entire OS. It may be unwise to give it up for porting at this time.

2) Let's say Amiga OS was to give 4 after Hyperion is done with it to the MorphOS team. A wise business would want to retain control of the OS and the port. Else you may have 2 AmigaOS but software may end up working on one or the other. Thus, a contract would be drafted saying here's the source, you do the port, give us the product, we sell, market, etc. Your rights are none but you profit from sales of the OS on your platform in 2 ways. (1) more of your motherboard gets sold and (2) a small kick back for AmigaOS 4 for your platform.

If Amiga could do the port that'll be ideal. However, they don't have a programming staff it's not going to happen. Which means they'll have to contract someone to do the port for them. Typical for profit software industry this is either for a fee (we pay your programming team's time) OR for a share of the renvenue after the release of the port.

I don't see how it'd benefit Amiga to just give MorphOS team the source so MorphOS can port w/o a contract. Amiga, and I'd argue a good business, is going to want guarantees in place that retain their Intellectual Property and give them the ability to direct sales and determine markets. Just giving MorphOS the source and saying port 4 to your motherboard isn't helpful. Why not (1) MorphOS could just run w/ AmigaOS and drive their own direction, there's no contract in place saying they can't. (2) MorphOS could use/steal parts of the code, there's no contract saying they can't. (3) The port could be done in such a way that AmigaOne source code and MorphOS port are incompatible in some aspects. This in turn splits the Amiga source. There's no contract saying MorphOS can't do it.

I just see HUGE problems by dropping source code into another companies lap without a contract. This gives the other company to do whatever they will with it.
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Posted by T_Bone on 24-Aug-2003 16:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 268 (Amon_Re):
Rich Woods had the entire contract on his site, I believe it was 14 pages (24?) IIRC.
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 287 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by mark on 24-Aug-2003 23:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 83 (samface):
"Well, it would surely be a breach of the EULA. However, wether that is illegal or not is for a court in your country to decide, not you."

Well, it's only a breach of an EULAgreement if you Agreed with the Licence. I don't agree with mine, so I'll happily run OS3.9 on UAE;)
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 288 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by mark on 24-Aug-2003 23:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 128 (Bill Hoggett):
"In those countries where the EULA is enforceable you are breaking the EULA"

Out of interest, where are EULAs enforceable, and considered a valid contract? Even in the US, I didn't think this was the case - only that some states had considered it.
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 289 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by Nate Downes on 25-Aug-2003 15:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 285 (BrianK):
you're talking something 100% different than I am. The MorphOS team is busy enough with MorphOS and has no interest in porting AOS4 for some other company to then sell and make money off of.
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Posted by Anonymous on 25-Aug-2003 16:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 289 (Nate Downes):
MorphOS was the example team. If MorphOS team is too busy to port AmigaOS4 to the PegasOS platform then what team will do it? Who'd Amiga give this source code, without contract therefore free reign by developers, to?
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 291 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by dslcc on 25-Aug-2003 20:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 285 (BrianK):
Amiga Inc. sure wouldn't want a repeat of the mistake it made with
OS3.9 and H&P.
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 292 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by hammer on 25-Aug-2003 21:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 283 (Nate Downes):
There are some conflicts of interest (potential of bias) in regards to Pegy (what ever release number) due to tied relationship with MorphOS (i.e. unified legal entity issues). This kind of relationship structure is similar IBM’s OS/2-PS/2 days.
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 293 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by hammer on 25-Aug-2003 21:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 292 (hammer):
Addendum;
Two similar OS with troubled relationship does not help with situation (cite; the OS/2 Warp vs MS Windows).
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 294 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by BrianK on 25-Aug-2003 22:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 289 (Nate Downes):
Nate?

It appears by what I've read you want a development team to take AmigaOS4 w/o having to sign any contract and port it to the PegasOS platform. Now it appears after this port they are to sell it and make money at it.

There's no contract thus this is a lose for Amiga Inc. First off the other company's selling AmigaOS4 for PegasOS. No contract means they don't have to pay Amiga Inc any money. Secondly, no contract means the development team can do whatever they want with AmigaOS4. Some examples of this would be push the OS into public domain (may be good for users but a loss for Amiga), or stealing code to put in other OSes, or making their own tweaks in AmigaOS4 and rendering 2 systems each running AmigaO4 but source code incompatible with each other.

I'm not sure how you see Amiga Inc winning, ie. making money, in the no contract scenario. I think it's readily obvious that they aren't going to make a dime and give up there Intellectual Property. If this is what you're expecting it's NOT going to happen. It'd be death for the business and perhaps even a larger death to the Amiga itself.

If you see Amiga making money by giving up source code and not agreeing to any terms with an end company, ie no signed contract, please let us know how.
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Posted by Nate Downes on 25-Aug-2003 23:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 294 (BrianK):
That would be an agreement between the team that does and Amiga, not between Genesi and Amiga, in this discussion, would it not?
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 296 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by BrianK on 26-Aug-2003 09:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 295 (Nate Downes):
Perhaps.

There could be agreements between Genesi and Amiga assuming Genesi is the company that does the port. Alternatively, there could be agreements between Genesi and Amiga to partner to find a group of programmers to do the conversion.
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 297 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 28-Aug-2003 07:33 GMT
Your bbrv is a liar because
Your bbrv spreads false news around the A world
Your bbrv is detroying that was called before "the Amiga community"
Your bbrv destroyed so many compagnies before he gets his (them) hands on Amiga Inc
Your bbrv has been supected many times to bring compagnies down
You are free to use products commercialized by bbrv, after all, don't we all use window$ that is controlled by another great liar?
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 298 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by Julian Cassin on 31-Aug-2003 10:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (DaveP):
I am surprised they even have such a restriction as "Therefore if the Amiga operating system is being used on a non-Amiga branded machine the use would be prohibited.". This sort of draconian clause of usage is pretty mean if anything. Like hell someone with a Phoenix board is not going to install OS 3.5 or 3.9. Which part of the system does the system have to have to be considered Amiga anyway? (definately cannot be the Motherboard looking at a Draco or Phoenix System). Furthermore, if you *bought* AmigaOS, why would they care how you used it? Gee I might even want to use it as a paperweight on top of my PC (illegal?).
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 299 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 26-Mar-2004 00:42 GMT
The more things change, the more they remain the same...
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