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osopinion: Close That Open Hardware! : Comment 146 of 169ANN.lu
Posted by Janne Sirén on 15-Jun-2002 18:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 145 (Adam Kowalczyk):
>1) The petition implies the existence of more POP boards than truly exist or
>will exist.
Granted, that may be the case. However, this goes to principle. I personally feel, not even having signed the whole thing, that it is a reasonable principle to propose: AmigaOS open to any hardware solution out there, where technical feasibility can be reached. Not really that far away from the ultimate goal of Amiga Inc. as it has been laid out to us so far.
I have already admitted that the wording of the petition may certainly need some tweaking. Now, what doesn't. The problem is that doing so afterwards would require another round of signing. One can't just go and change the petition text after people have "signed" it. However, possible shortcomings in the wording - in my opinion - hardly justify the level of innuendo and attacks the petition has been receiving.
I welcome anyone coming up with a renewed petition text that they feel is more approriate (but do ask the petition's creator first if you use any of his work).
>2) The petition is being spread outside of the Amiga community and presents
>Amiga Inc. in a negative light. How can this be good for the Amiga platform?
What is immediately good for Amiga Inc. may not be ultimately good for it. Or, more pressingly, what may be good for Amiga Inc. may not be good for the Amiga community. If the petition indeed does present Amiga Inc. in a negative light, it in my opinion does so for a reason (as long as it remains factual). While we may find flaws in its wording, I am yet to find any substantial factual errors in it - and thus, if it does paint a negative picture of Amiga Inc. it does so because the person viewing it negatively feels indeed that Amiga Inc.'s actions are negative.
I'm quite sure you do not feel that we should hide or not discuss, as consumers, any shortcoming any company out there may have. The companies may not always like it (and sometimes we ourselves are on the receiving end through our own employements or holdings), but ultimately the free flow of discussion and criticism does benefit the society as a whole. But then, I'm really sure you agree on these basic principles and we have no reason to question them.
Personally I have contributed substantial amounts of time and work to supporting this Amiga Inc. and its predecessors through community projects, such as our local user group and its activities. I still participate and welcome these efforts even when we may find flaws in the company or community we are supporting. But what I do not find acceptable is the implied suggestion that we should not be able to criticize that company as consumers and potential (or existing) customers. I can and do support many a cause, but never blindly.
>3) I haven't seen Seehund on the AmigaOne developer list, so I think he hasn't
>bought an AmigaOne.
Whether or not he has or has not is quite irrelevant when considering the legitimacy of the petition. The argument that one should buy something first and only then have a right to speak his mind is questionable at best. Also, just voting with the wallet usually doesn't benefit anyone. Speaking your mind, so that the recipient can address the issue, and then voting with your wallet (i.e. buying what you like, not buying what you don't like) is far more preferable in my opinion.
>4) The original wording of the petition was poor. A quick glance at the first
>sentence could have people that support Amiga Inc's policies sign the
>petition. Some of the comments clearly prove this. English is my first
>language and I felt it was unclear. I can only imagine the people out there
>where english isn't there first language.
Lets look at it another way: the wording also suggest supporting Amiga Inc., not some other camp people here have been suggesting. Its not all negative on Amiga Inc., instead it offers opinion on a matter found important by the undersigned IN SUPPORT OF a company they feel is worthy of the attention. Sure, its wording is pretty harsh, but then it is meant to be taken seriously and to change the minds of its recipients.
So, I agree there may be poor wording in the petition. Now would be a good time for other people to agree there may be a legitimate point the petition is making even if they don't agree with it. It really isn't all FUD and trolling. I'd call it healthy initiative, even if not everyone likes it cause.
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