| [News] Report from USA Demo of Pegasos, MorphOS | ANN.lu |
| Posted on 14-Oct-2002 21:57 GMT by Daniel Miller | 116 comments
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MorphOS and the Pegasos alternative computer were demonstrated at Saturday's meeting of NCAUG, a Washington DC area user group. Be sure to check out the report.
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| Report from USA Demo of Pegasos, MorphOS : Comment 106 of 116 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 16-Oct-2002 23:35 GMT | In reply to Comment 101 (Anonymous):
>So as I said they did require an nda too, so they did use the same practice.
Yes, they did. But they also announced this when the original product offer was made. There is a distinct difference here. The original SDK was NDA/SDA free. One year of upgrades was promised. Nowhere did they mention any additional agreements needing to be signed. This has annoyed some people.
Using NDAs with products in development is certainly nothing new. Everybody does this. That is not the issue. The problem people have been pointing our here and in various forums is that they bought the SDK in good faith, with loads of updates promised in short order, and nothing is there without an NDA.
Not to mention a whole bunch of stuff is terribly late anyway (originally scheduled in Bill McEwen's executive updates for fall 2000), but that is another thing. Delays happen and financial woes have taken their toll. But you can't just happily explain all of it away... There are real grievances here.
>And in which year are you living? "sold the SDK in 2000" + "didnt ... years
>to come".
Well, my tone may have been a little too dramatic. My apologies if it offended someone. But it has been two years, which is plural, so technically my point stands.
>Morphos is an OS whithout anything special
If you say so.
>It was never said that the updates would be available without a nda either.
Oh come on, now. Surely a reasonable assumption is that updates would be available under similar conditions as the original purchase when talking about a consumer product? (And by this I mean it was sold to consumers, not just companies.)
>Fact is there are updates.
Nobody is denying that. Late, but it is publicly known there are some updates.
>> Fact remains, no matter how much you like to blast people for pointing it
>> out: At this time one can not develop content for the DE players on the SDK
>> without signing the SDA.
> So?
You don't find it a bit unfortunate that people that bought the SDK don't really have a viable platform to target without signing the SDA? Or do you consider the SDK a viable target market? Is this in the spirit of the run anywhere plan?
>> This was supposed to be addressed a long time ago,
>I dont think so.
Well, Gary discussed this in public last year then the DE Player first got out. It was in one of the Yahoo Groups forums I believe. I'm sure he didn't give any schedules, and he probably isn't an authority on the issue, but it was made understood this would be addressed. Well, a year has soon passed and we are waiting.
>You can feel disappointed all you want as long as you dont twist facts.
Where did I twist facts? It looks more like you are downplaying some real concerns here, and that feels more like twisting facts to me.
Your comments like:
"Your claim that sdk developed doesnt run on DE is a) BS and b) idiotic."
Well, they do not run on the DE Player. Do you really claim that one can not consider AmigaDE Player as a software solution that runs AmigaDE content? I know they changed the name since then, but that hardly changes a thing.
You blasted this person for stating the obvious: "FACT: people who bought the sdk cannot create products for DE or AACE except by signing an exclusive SDA with Amiga".
You can mince words all you want, but the fact does remain.
>> You still can't download any DE player
>> software for your PDA from Amiga-Anywhere.com.
>So? Its a product in development. Facts is, it is here and is growing.
"So?" seems to be an easy answer to give. Unfortunately not one that really addresses any of the real concerns surrounding the viability of Amiga Anywhere. AA (or more like intent for the moment) may be here in a sense (for the desktop), but its ability to run "anywhere" sure as heck ain't - whereas technologies like Java really are here and running literally almost everywhere.
There are more than five devices in the very room I'm sitting capable of running Java, and only two of those are desktop computers. All are devices you can readily buy from electronic stores and they run Java out of box. And the Java stuff I've seen is far more impressive than anything offered for the Anywhere to this date. Not to mention how well Java scales from phones to servers...
But now I digress. I just wanted to give you some concrete examples on why some people are less than thrilled about the AmigaDE project, which seems to be too little too late. I have no wish to be proven right, but that is just the way it seems at the moment.
>I didnt write "II" and betatester I was not. Blaming someone for using a nda
>while doing the same is ridiculus.
You are missing the point on this one, I'm afraid. Nobody blamed Amiga for using an NDA per se. They blamed them for offering a year of free updates, even naming some of the features coming soon, and then later on releasing those updates to only people who sign an NDA (without prior warning).
This is something the MorphOS camp simply did not do. They have their shortcomings too, sure, but this is not a mistake they made. Amiga did.
BTW: You mentioned there was some Amiga Inc. created stuff in the original SDK. I'd like to know details, please. I know they changed some of the texts in the manual and printed in in Amiga colors, but from what I hear, even the Boing demo on the actual CD was made by TAO. Perhaps Amiga did the installer? Do correct me if I'm wrong on that one.
Anyway, much of AmigaDE that is in public in just TAO intent relabeled. I'm sure you NDA/SDA folks have seen more, though. Well, for the sake of the whole project I sincerely hope you have... |
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