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[Motd] Legal threats?ANN.lu
Posted on 06-Apr-2004 07:24 GMT by Christian Kemp (Edited on 2004-04-06 10:09:44 GMT by Christian Kemp)1057 comments
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I am currently being threatened by my former employer (they are "compelled [to] take action against [me]") for the way I am running ANN, and how this allegedly violates my employment contract with them ("interfere _in any manner_ with any business relationship between the Company and any of its customers or business partners"). This might entail drastic changes to the relative freedom of speech ANN has always allowed its visitors, or ANN might close down altogether. Updated 10:00 CET.
Legal threats? : Comment 451 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by Atheist2 on 07-Apr-2004 05:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 149 (Rich Woods):
>> Posted by Atheist2 (24.83.209.186) on 06-Apr-2004 09:10:46

>> This is one of Genesi's SADDEST days and acts, I must say.
> ----------------
> Seems there is no evidence or direct accusations of such. Wait until full
> details are made public.

Hi Rich Woods,

It was at first a 2 or 3 line post (by Christian Kemp), rather vague, with few details, and I was upset that a public forum was attempted to be muzzled; you should appreciate that.


>> I apologize to Rich Woods. You are the second person that I thought may have
>> been behind this.
-------------------------

> And now you speculate I had something to do or was behind this "situation"
> shall we say.

AFTER, I found out who was the party that was behind it, which is AFTER I had already said that I thought of TWO people that might do this, I SAID who I thought might have been the other person. I didn't need to EVER say who I thought the other person is.


> Sheesh - I have tried to make sure Christian got his 10% of the money I spend
> on Dreamhost - and also 1 or more donations to his site for his expenses of
> running ANN.

I WILL try to send Christian something, too.

> You really owe me an apology - not that I expect you would ever give one -
> but just to make the "situation" public.

I have quoted your comment 149, which has a quote of mine, from comment 56.

Did I not in fact apologize? Seeing as I did, it is for you to accept or reject it. (Unless you still hold to the above quoted sentence.)

I have to be even more careful when saying things in the future.

I also did not need to tell you what I was thinking, either, but I'm not like that. I speak about me, and am not making any speculation about anyone else, in this statement.
Legal threats? : Comment 452 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by miksuh on 07-Apr-2004 05:16 GMT
Doh, you guys have been busy :) This is one of the longest threads I have seen here :)
Legal threats? : Comment 453 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 07-Apr-2004 05:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 448 (Anonymous):
Could be true, but i've never been in a situation where i'd try it out, i kinda like me job ;P

Cheers
Legal threats? : Comment 454 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by Mikey_C on 07-Apr-2004 05:30 GMT
Damn!

This thread is sooo long I have gained 10st on eating so much popcorn. Can we call it a day now please? :-)

Mikey C
Legal threats? : Comment 455 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by Analnymous on 07-Apr-2004 05:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 446 (Rich Woods):
> While Christian BELIEVES the e-mail came from buck - until it is proven conclusively everything is speculation.

Huh? Where did Christian talk about e-mail?
Legal threats? : Comment 456 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 07-Apr-2004 05:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 455 (Analnymous):
He didn't, he did ot say on what medium the threat of a lawsuit was transmitted, could have been email, fax, voice, etc etc

Also, the lack of responce from BBRV seems to imply that he is atleast aware of the threat towards Christian.

Cheers
Legal threats? : Comment 457 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by Jupp3 on 07-Apr-2004 05:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 454 (Mikey_C):
>Can we call it a day now please? :-)

Not before we have at least 500 posts :-)
Legal threats? : Comment 458 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by Ben on 07-Apr-2004 06:58 GMT
Christian - There is no need to close ANN - for a start you dont actually own it as you sold it about a year ago remember?! ;)

TBH if there is any threat I wouldnt worry. For a start Genesi *knew perfectly well who they hired and what that "baggage" that entailed* - and possibly thought it might even work to their advantage...
Legal threats? : Comment 459 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by Bodie_CI5 on 07-Apr-2004 07:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 441 (Rick Pezzimenti):
Rick Pezzimenti? Were you ever a Drama Teacher at Murrumbeena High?
Legal threats? : Comment 460 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by minator on 07-Apr-2004 07:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 459 (Bodie_CI5):
First Post!!!

Oh, damn too late...
Legal threats? : Comment 461 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by MegaHurts on 07-Apr-2004 07:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 459 (Bodie_CI5):
there is no post count to increase ;)
Legal threats? : Comment 462 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by alx24 on 07-Apr-2004 07:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 456 (Amon_Re):
> Also, the lack of responce from BBRV seems to
>imply that he is atleast aware of the threat towards Christian.

Looking at this thread on MorphZone he's certainly not denying it.
Legal threats? : Comment 463 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 07-Apr-2004 07:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 462 (alx24):
That was what i was refurring to.

Cheers
Legal threats? : Comment 464 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by No Sale. on 07-Apr-2004 07:50 GMT
If Buck touches this board, I'm putting a stop on the check I just mailed them. I'd rather have my message boards than deal with a crooked company. Companies come and go, but these message boards remain with us even when the companies fail. (As this one is likely to, if they keep running the company this way)
Legal threats? : Comment 465 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 07-Apr-2004 07:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 464 (No Sale.):
You're paying their lawyers? ;P

Cheers
Legal threats? : Comment 466 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by Atheist2 on 07-Apr-2004 08:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 222 (Atheist2):
> This is just static, white noise, don't worry....


This refers to the "Comment 222" itself, not to the potential lawsuit against Christian Kemp.

I just re-read it, and realize it was totally unclear.
Legal threats? : Comment 467 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by kalmar on 07-Apr-2004 08:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 410 (JKD):
> It might even have come from some internal Genesi account and they are 'looking
> into the matter'

Yeah, perhaps it was a 'drunk employee'.. heh heh :)
Legal threats? : Comment 468 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by MegaHurts on 07-Apr-2004 08:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 457 (Jupp3):
don't think we're gonna make to 500
Legal threats? : Comment 469 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 07-Apr-2004 08:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 468 (MegaHurts):
Well.. Somehow I expect this same issue to bounce back sooner or later. It looks like it's not even near being over.
Legal threats? : Comment 470 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by pixie on 07-Apr-2004 09:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 296 (Rich Woods):
In his reply 'in support of motion' BB has stated, despite all ods, that he *still* belived the mail was real and from Fleecy...
Legal threats? : Comment 471 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by pixie on 07-Apr-2004 09:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 320 (Anonymous):
Although Saddam has lost is reign, there's still some quite nice dictactorships for you..
Legal threats? : Comment 472 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by pixie on 07-Apr-2004 09:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 409 (brotheris):
Oh but you can.. through AmigaOSXL: QNX plus AmigaOS in a 'sandbox'
Legal threats? : Comment 473 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by pixie on 07-Apr-2004 09:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 412 (brotheris):
They are running AmigaOSx.x in emulation, Qbox is irrelevant in this case
Legal threats? : Comment 474 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by pixie on 07-Apr-2004 09:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 413 (Eva):
And there are others who you pretend to be defending AOS just cos it suits your needs, just cos they don't share your views... btw Bill Hoggett weren't one of those...

He had somewhere in between that it was BB.

BTW you get 0.02€ up in my consideration
Legal threats? : Comment 475 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by pixie on 07-Apr-2004 09:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 413 (Eva):
Bill please ... there are here some ipocrit ppl that continue to play with words to defend 3 years of Aos4 waiting, withouit any word than food and false "other 2-3 months delay" or "you will see..."
Stop your pathetic personal attack, read WELL Fabio's words and then WELL Mr Kemp words: it's clear that Kemp didn't told us what is completly ENVOLVED in the FULL discussion ...
I hate to say this but ... I'm waiting that the tread creator give us MUCH information about the subject, because a part the initial post, Mr Kemp didn't add nothing else.
------------------------------------------

And there are others who you pretend to be defending AOS just cos it suits your needs, just cos they don't share your views... btw Bill Hoggett weren't one of those...

He had somewhere in between that it was BB.

BTW you get 0.02€ up in my consideration
Legal threats? : Comment 476 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by pixie on 07-Apr-2004 09:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 419 (Bill Hoggett):
"If it is not true, why has there been no denial? A categoric declaration by BBRV that he is not taking any action against Christian for any of ANN's content up to this point would have totally shot the claim to pieces. Of course, it would also have shot any planned action to pieces, but if no such thing was planned, why care? "

Even if there was a denial from BBRV it could mean nothing... or just that he was dropping the case
Legal threats? : Comment 477 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by pixie on 07-Apr-2004 09:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 420 (abcd):
Oh thats intelligent.

Was this about cannibalism or about the original posting matter.

Stop trying to deflect.


you got to see deeper then that...
Legal threats? : Comment 478 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by pixie on 07-Apr-2004 10:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 432 (TheArrogantSarny):
"End the fighting. This is a time at which all Amiga websites and the community need to unite for the sake of the community."

I don't want to sound like a preacher but, amen to that brother! ;)
Legal threats? : Comment 479 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by kalmar on 07-Apr-2004 10:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 469 (JoannaK):
It's obviously a lot to do with The Trial. I bet the recent round of subissions mainly from forum posts must have caused BB and his big mouth a lot of problems.

This could be a desperate attempt to get rid of that evidence, get ANN taken down at least temporarily, or force the removal of certain posts. I don't see how it will help really, at this stage.

But at the moment I bet BB is really pissed off at having his own words used against him like that. IMHO he got exactly what he deserved for manipulating people in such a way.

I'm sure we'll hear more soon..
Legal threats? : Comment 480 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by pixie on 07-Apr-2004 10:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 460 (minator):
"First Post!!!

Oh, damn too late..."

Lol!
Legal threats? : Comment 481 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by John Block on 07-Apr-2004 10:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 212 (Bernie Meyer):
That`s right, freeserve in the UK were involved in a similar action.

freeserve claimed a "common carrier" defense. Like the post office or telephone companies they were not publishers of a libel.

This was overruled as they had been notified several times of the libel.

Common carriers do not edit or oversee content.

However, there are many defenses. "fair comment", opinion, and the fact that if informed he would remove, instant right to reply, overall balance etc.
Legal threats? : Comment 482 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by Eva on 07-Apr-2004 10:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 474 (pixie):
Well Pixie .. ypur life is a 0.
Read your post in the last 3 years : it's better if you hide yourself for your pathetic little mind.
Legal threats? : Comment 483 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by Eva on 07-Apr-2004 10:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 477 (pixie):
Pixie, you are really get fun.
You , THAT DEFENDED Bill McEwan and AMigaInc until yesterday ... and that (the day after the public selling to Kmos) changed its mind calling Mcewan an evil, a pitfull feagure LOL
You are pathetic and iprocrit more than everyone here.
You that have a so low competence in the IT world to wait every 2 months, from 3 years, the release of the "promice".
You have to be checked seriously by a good mind analist. My ANN 50$ will be moved toward your cause.
Legal threats? : Comment 484 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 07-Apr-2004 10:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 433 (Bernie Meyer):
> Welcome to the wonderful world of international libel laws,

Luckily, this is about EU, and in EU it's no problem. Besides, simply telling facts, without commenting, is no libel.
Legal threats? : Comment 485 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by Jaeson Koszarsky on 07-Apr-2004 10:47 GMT
The only ones that ever win are the sleazy lawyers that will file any case to make a buck. Who cares about right or wrong. If I don't like the way you part your hair, there will be a lawyer to fight my case and waste everyone's time & money.

Jaeson K.
Legal threats? : Comment 486 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 07-Apr-2004 10:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 433 (Bernie Meyer):
> but even more interesting, Australian courts have ruled that writing something
> of that nature in another country, to be published on an online site in another
> country, *still* falls under their jurisdiction as long as the author should
> reasonably be expected to know that it will be read in Australia.

Of course, for that to work, the author should be Australian. Christian is not Austrailan, for what I know :-)
Legal threats? : Comment 487 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 07-Apr-2004 10:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 440 (Anonymous):
What anonymous cowards say about me is of no interest to anynone, yet alone me.
Legal threats? : Comment 488 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 07-Apr-2004 10:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 438 (gary_c):
Thanks for the reply Gary. It only struck me yesterday that I hadn't heard anything from them for what seems like ages.

Cheers :-)
Legal threats? : Comment 489 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by pixie on 07-Apr-2004 10:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 482 (Eva):
Learn to read english then come talk to me, as you obviously don't understand what I and others say... I have no plans for buying either MOS or AOS4, and if I had I would probably choose MOS, but things are *what they are* not what *you* pretend them to be..
Legal threats? : Comment 490 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by pixie on 07-Apr-2004 11:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 483 (Eva):
What the f*#%! What are you taking? I could grab some for me too!!

Where in the hell I said that? You must be mistaking me with someone else...
or maybe a bad dream, who knows...

PS- in Italy Eva doesn't stand for Eve, a female name? I know that Andrea is (or could be(?)) a male name, but never in my all life seen a women so hanger and bitter as you towards anyone else!
Legal threats? : Comment 491 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by Ray A. Akey on 07-Apr-2004 11:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 437 (Nate Downes):
"So, Kodak did the smart thing, they are reorganizing to eliminate the areas they are weakest, namely cameras."

Explain their monster 14n digital SLR then. Talk about losses. They should have augmented their product line with an affordable semi-pro digital SLR also, as a means to get money from the guys buying point & shoot digitals, while waiting for the big boys to go into hawk to get the 14 Mpx monster. :)

Interestingly enough, though I personally won't buy one since I have invested too much $$ into Canon lenses to switch now, Nikon has released their product response to the Rebel; the Nikon D70.
Legal threats? : Comment 492 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 07-Apr-2004 11:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 491 (Ray A. Akey):
And here i am, stuck with a Sony Cybershot P71, and being happy with it even ;)

Cheers
Legal threats? : Comment 493 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by Ray A. Akey on 07-Apr-2004 11:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 445 (Christian Kemp):
The 50mm/1.8 is an excellent prime lens. It is tack sharp and performs well in low light. It was the second lens I picked up and I haven't regretted it.

Is yours the newer, plastic contruction MKII, or the older metal model?
Legal threats? : Comment 494 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by pixie on 07-Apr-2004 11:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 490 (pixie):
Can it be because I have Amiga roots that I want AmigaOS to prosper!? Wow! Ain't I being devious!!! What disrespectful thoughts I have! Damn, shame on me... but you have to understand it's my fault, now I can see it clear, it was I who were strongly attached to the name, I was wrong, I don't want to harm any of your thoughts.. let it be, from now on MorphOS should be named AmigaOS after all, so that we can all live happily forever after.
Legal threats? : Comment 495 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by Gregg on 07-Apr-2004 11:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 488 (Darrin):
Thanks for the reply Gary. It only struck me yesterday that I hadn't heard anything from them for what seems like ages.

Uhh... Oh, _that_ Gary.

This Gregg
Legal threats? : Comment 496 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by Ray A. Akey on 07-Apr-2004 11:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 479 (kalmar):
"This could be a desperate attempt to get rid of that evidence, get ANN taken down at least temporarily, or force the removal of certain posts. I don't see how it will help really, at this stage."

It would be a huge waste of time. Anyone who "needs" anything from any of these message boards, already has it.

Take myself, for instance.. I have spidered them all (even ANN; manually, since no respectful spidering software will touch it) and have local copies of any and all of the recent postings which certain parties find useful.

Besides, there's web.archive.org, which doesn't archive ANN due to its respect for robots.txt but helps to find "old" postings on most other sites (yes, including amiga.com).
Legal threats? : Comment 497 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by Andrea Maniero on 07-Apr-2004 11:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 490 (pixie):
> I know that Andrea is (or could be(?)) a male name,

In Italy Andrea is, 99% of the times, a male name. Well, it is in my case, at least.;) Anyway, it's one of the most used, even. I know that in Germany, for instance, it's mainly feminine (once I wrote to the german author of a freeware program, and had probably the fastest reply in my life: bottom line is he was asking whether I was a girl or not)...

Kind regards,
Andrea
Legal threats? : Comment 498 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by Ray A. Akey on 07-Apr-2004 11:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 492 (Amon_Re):
"And here i am, stuck with a Sony Cybershot P71, and being happy with it even ;)"

Actually, I was pretty happy with the Sony DSC-F707 digital that I still own and use for macro work.

I just had the itch to get into digital SLR. Not only is the optical viewfinder (as opposed to most digitals' electronic viewfinder) much more pleasant when composing a shot, it is almost necessary to get any decent kind of action shot, which is my main reason for buying an SLR.

Besides, I'm a wildlife nut. Shooting wildlife requires a lot less shutter lag than most "prosumer" digitals exhibit. Besides, it is much more fun to go out hiking or trailing and taking pictures of the sights and wildlife than it is getting all caught up in long-winded threads on message boards. :)
Legal threats? : Comment 499 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by Mikey C on 07-Apr-2004 11:37 GMT
Comment 500 Approaching! ;)

Mikey C
Legal threats? : Comment 500 of 1057ANN.lu
Posted by Ronald on 07-Apr-2004 11:37 GMT
Done! :P
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