[News] "Berniethlon" - The End | ANN.lu |
Posted on 01-Dec-2002 18:46 GMT by Gareth Knight (Edited on 2002-12-01 21:44:11 GMT by Christian Kemp) | 221 comments View flat View list |
"It saddens me greatly to announce that, effective today, any of my Amiga-related software development has been mothballed indefinitely. This means that, pending any unexpected developments, there won't be any "Amithlon v2" (aka "Berniethlon"), nor any further support or add ons for "Amithlon v1" by me."
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Posted by Walter Miles on 05-Dec-2002 22:53 GMT | In reply to Comment 157 (Daniel Miller): Sorry, Daniel, I'm coming late to this discussion:
From your earlier posting (#106):
DM> Amithlon was a big hit in my local user group, and those who use it the most
DM> seem to be big Bernie Meyer fans. When the dispute was discussed, I asked
DM> "well, what about these other guys who develop and produce Amithlon" the
DM> response is basically that H&P are just shady and Frank hardly developed
DM> anything at all, and it doesn't matter that he started the Amithlon project in
DM> the first place. But something about all that just doesn't sound right.
I'm a members of NCAUG, and I think you've oversimplified our comments.
H&P's integrity has not been unchallenged in the past, and they have
certainly not been open about this situation (a paragraph on their site
and one magazine interview). That and their failure to upgrade the XL
side (my original reason for buying the package :-)) or AmigaWriter
recently, make me distrust them---perhaps I distrust their ABILITY to
produce software or negotiate conflicts even more than their ethics.
Of course, Amiga Inc. has not distinguished itself in this matter
either.
Take Harald's contribution together with his angry mailing list outbursts
and apparent limited success bugfixing or adding support, and it pales
next to Bernie's effort. IMHO, the components of the system supplied or
integrated by Bernie are simply more important. Harald may have started
the project, but I suspect he is not uniquely responsible for the concepts
that give Amithlon it's power. All this without considering the harassment
he has been accused of. His participation mattered, but his negatives
have risen too high.
From your later posting (#157):
DM> Bill Hoggett typed:
BH>> 1)- you think the actual users in your user group are being unfair. Have you
DM> I take your point that they are better versed in it than I am. But some of the
DM> stuff also seem to be on a personal level, ie. they say Frank makes shrill or
DM> annoying comments on the mailing lists.
To a small degree that's true. Without inside information or documentary
evidence, I must rely on my personal impression of the combatants. Bernie
(and Bill Hoggett among others) IMHO have offered more supporting detail
and better constructed arguments for their positions. They have also
carried on the discussion with more grace and humor, and fewer outrageous
objurgations than the other side. So, yeah, it's personal, but with
considerable rational basis.
Harald's tone is not so much "shrill" as incoherent with rage. He has
threatened to remove opponents from the mailing list, and has occasionally
been rude to users who complain or ask questions. The level of his emotional
turmoil makes it hard to judge the basis for his statements. The guy has
had a tough time and I feel sorry for him, but I don't know how you can help
him if he won't calm down.
Again, from your earlier posting (#106)
DM> I read Meyer's statement and it is sad...
DM> ...that he quits while continuing to vilify Frank and H&P...
The nature, intensity and manner of his accusations are mild compared to
what he has been getting from Harald Frank for months. |
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