| [News] Next Pegasos production sold out | ANN.lu |
| Posted on 07-Jun-2002 18:19 GMT by Christian Kemp | 280 comments
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"From: Raquel Velasco and Bill Buck. We would like to announce that the next scheduled production of the Pegasos has been sold out. Boards have been set aside for friendly developers, but all others have been sold. Another production of the Pegasos will follow in July." [ Source: Email forward... - CK ]
Update: More information was posted in comment 52.
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| Posted by Anonymous on 11-Jun-2002 14:46 GMT | In reply to Comment 245 (Darrin):
> >>Your view is certainly very biased.
> I'd rather use the word "objective".
Really?
> I totally agree and that's EXACTLY the point I was trying to get across.
> Thendic simply sell the mobos... nothing else. They are the wrong people to
> whine at about OS4 not running on it.
Agreed. Thendic/Pretory sells motherboards. I don't agree they sell nothing else, as obviously they do sell various solutions (that have nothing to do with Amiga) - however, that is pretty much irrelevant here.
> However, as they are in the business of SELLING the MAXIMUM number of mobos,
> this posting in an AMiga orientated site is simply a way of CONNING Amiga
> users (and ex-Amiga users) into buying what they will think is a next
How on Earth did you come to that conclusion? Sure, they are here to market their product. So is Amiga Inc. and plenty of other companies. They have also clearly said Pegasos - for Thendic - is an eclipsis developer board. They want developers. Surprise, surprise, so does Amiga Inc. (for their AmigaDE). This is hardly what I'd call "conning" when they say it out loud. And Bill said it. In fact, it is pretty much the same thing Amiga Inc. did with AmigaDE.
If you want to use the Pegasos as an AmigaOS compatible machine, Thendic have said they will not provide the solution but someone else is free to do so (that much is clear from their messages). Nowhere did they say they would not provide any help, or that you'd be left completely on your own. They sell and support their product, the motherboard. AmigaOS compatibility is no longer in the list of their priorities since the negotiations with Amiga Inc. were inconclusive.
> once you've bought it then they're gone and any problems you'll have will be
> in the hands of bPlan and RS... god help you!!!
Oh c'mon. And you call that objective? That is extremely speculatory and highly insulting. People behind bPlan and R.S. too have brought us some great advancements throughout the Amiga history. That is far more many of us can confess to. Badmouting them like this doesn't have a place in a good debate on the issues.
>>That is just plain smart considering negotiations with Amiga Inc. failed
>(negotiations have two parties, we can't really blame either for that in this
> The main reason why negotiations work is because BOTH parties have something
> of valve to bring to the table and have the WILL to work together towards a
> COMMON GOAL. Unfortunately, MOS is a one-man-show and a closed door to
> discussions.
In this case both parties had something of value to bring to the table. bPlan had MorphOS. Amiga Inc. had the Amiga trademark. Which one you value more is up to you. They did try to find a solution, but Amiga wanted control and bPlan wanted control. Obviously both couldn't have it under a deal. Whether or not a common goal can be found is one of the objectives of a negotiation - including, of course, finding the means to get there. Always it doesn't work. In this case, it certainly did not. Blaming just bPlan for it is ridiciluos - Amiga were just as much a player in it. Why don't you attack them as well?
Personally I wouldn't attack either one. Negotiatations are about finding common ground. In this case not enough was found, obviously, and that's just the way the world works. Why should've bPlan made any more concessions than Amiga Inc.? (Or, for that matter, why should Amiga Inc. make any more concessions than bPlan?) It is a game for two. Both played. Winners and losers are still to be determined.
> No, they neatly avoided the question. ANyway, it's NOT their problem. It's
> bPlans (like I pointed out).
What are they supposed to say then? Amiga is not a priority for them. They admitted as much. With limited boards available, they are working towards their primary goal - which is the eclipsis, AFAIK, and Pegasos as a developer board for it. Also, they can't say it will run AmigaOS because they won't be able to guarantee it.
> > instead) - its not like Eyetech have been rushing to get an AmigaOne to the
> > MorphOS camp either, now have they
> Perhaps bPlan should try ORDERING one.... just like Hyperion ordered a
> Pegasos.
According to some sources here they have ordered one. Like many other developers, people are still waiting for their AmigaOnes. They have not been delivered yet even though they should've been weeks ago (early May the latest). Same goes for Pegasos. It is not yet available in numbers, it is late just like the AmigaOne. Hence (my speculation) not enough boards to justify giving one to a developer that doesn't benefit the primary market for Pegasos (eclipsis development). There are plenty of valid reasons for both parties to work this way with the limited number of boards that are out there.
> I see it as a PR game. However, I give them credit for giving an honest
> answer to the state of the mobo and MOS. They have confirmed that MOS is
> unfinished, they have confirmed that the only Pegasos boards in existanmce
> were made in a garage, they have confirmed that the next production run is
> for development only and they have confirmed that dealers/users are going to
> have to wait for a board. Their main target is INDUSTRY... so all you home
> MOS users are NOT their priority.
MOS desktop users are not their priority, that is certainly how it does seem. But then, that was bPlan's plan all along as I saw it. They always spoke of other markets, not just the Amiga market. bPlan website is not directed at Amiga users at all. Obviously they would've wanted to do more here as well, but the negotiations with Amiga Inc. failed and they decided to pretty much forget about it. Or at least that is what Bill seems to say of Thendic, I'm not sure how bPlan itself plays into all this. They have been pretty quiet.
> I think all MOS fans should buy a Pegasos... you all deserve one.
Yeah, indeed. I call that _so_ objective.
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